Talk:M-14 (Michigan highway)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Starstriker7 (talk · contribs) 15:50, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll take on this review. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 15:50, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Criterion 1

• "ramps that connect Miller and Maple roads" - Does it connect the two roads, does it connect to the two roads (without actually connecting Miller and Maple), or does it do both?
• I've never heard the term "freeway" used outside of California before. Why did you choose that word?
  • The interchange ramps leave the eastbound lanes of M-14, intersect Miller Road, continue northeastward, intersect Maple Road and return to the eastbound lanes of M-14. The reverse is true westbound, and both roads themselves intersect southeast of the interchange. A driver could follow the ramps between the two roads without traveling all of the way to the Miller–Maple intersection, so the ramps connect freeway with crossroads. Imzadi 1979 → 18:46, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Why did I choose it, because it's the correct term to describe in American English the concept of a controlled-access highway. It's not a regionalism specific to one state, and MDOT places "Freeway" as the description next to the fancy blue lines they use on the map to denote freeways in the state. It's also technically correct per the federal definition of what a freeway is versus an expressway. (See Controlled-access highway#United States for further details on that distinction.) Imzadi 1979 → 18:46, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Ah, I see. Thank you for clarifying. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 01:02, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I made several changes while copyediting. Let me know if you disagree with any of the changes.

Criterion 2

References 1, 2, 4, 11, 12, 16-27 accepted in good faith because they are offline. Reference information is adequately completed for these offline sources.

• Exactly how do you find the information given in reference 3? I'm having trouble interpreting the chart data. I can't even match the numbers given on the chart when I search M-14 in the Road Name finder.
  • It's a combination of simple arithmetic and the numbers from the CS/PR tool in the map used to obtain the BMP and EMP (beginning and ending mileposts) for control sections/physical references. The arithmetic comes in to play because mileage is only cumulative in each county, and it sometimes resets between control sections within the same county for historical reasons, or because of a concurrency with another highway of a "higher priority". The milemarkers erected along the freeway do not reset at county lines, would not reset along a concurrency if both highways' markers were erected, and so it's necessary to add together the mileage at a reset point to continue the sequence. The numbers I've computed correspond to the measurements for the over- or under-passing roadway at each interchange, using ranges were necessary, which is the standard for such calculations on FA-, A-, and GA-Class articles for this subject area. Imzadi 1979 → 19:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Whoa. I remember trying to navigate charts when working on planet articles. This is a lot more complicated. I suppose it gets easier with repetition, though. I'll try and verify the arithmetic in a second. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 01:11, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
      • Well, I tried, that's for sure. It is difficult for me to follow. I was able to verify some of the earlier statistics regarding Scio Township, but after the resets I got lost very quickly between those and the mixed-in statistics from M-140 and the like. The overall stats appear to work out, based on what I could tell when I checked Google Maps. I will leave it be. If you take this to FA or to an A-class review, perhaps someone who is more familiar with the charts can examine it. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 01:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
• " "There is an interchange for Beck Road as M-14 turns back to the east" If I understand Reference 5 (Google maps) correctly, is M-14 not always heading in an easterly direction, even at Beck Road?
  • M-14 runs either due easterly, due north, northeasterly or even southeasterly along its route through the area. Imzadi 1979 → 19:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
• "The freeway passes Ford Motor Company's Seddon Road Plant near the Seddon Road interchange" - According to Google Maps, it crosses Sheldon Road and passes by the Ford Sheldon plant.
  • Typos fixed. Imzadi 1979 → 19:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
• "86,500 vehicles daily east of the Seddon Road interchange in Plymouth Township" Change Seddon to Sheldon per the above comment.
  • Ditto. Imzadi 1979 → 19:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
• This is not necessary for GA's sake, but on page 2 of the Domino's Pizza reference (Ref 6), the headquarters building for Domino's was dubbed "the Prairie House". If you'd like, you can replace "the office complex" with something that includes the name of the actual structure.
• According to what I could find off of the MDOT traffic level maps (Ref 8), I verified the 86,500 statistic but I could not verify the 26,641 statistic.
  • Did you restrict the search fields to just Wayne County? I searched for a Beginning Year of 2010, an Ending Year of 2012, a Route Designation of M and a Route Number of 14 without specifying anything else to pull a report on the entire length of the highway. I did not use AADT maps because they're not as precise as the TMIS reports. Imzadi 1979 → 19:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
    • I've followed your instructions and have now verified the statistic. Would it be viable to change the ref URL so it links to this one? --Starstriker7^(Talk) 01:24, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
      • No can do... those URLs are session-specific. If I follow it, I get "Error: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.". Imzadi 1979 → 01:33, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
• According to the ref that verifies that M-14 is all listed in the National Highway System (Ref 9), you need an additional ref that verifies M-14's NHS status in Washtenaw County.
  • No, I don't. Washtenaw County is clearly shown in that map, and the entire route of M-14 from I-94 to I-96 is colored in the magenta color that indicates NHS status. Can you take another look? The M-14 marker on the map itself is shown inside the county for instance. Imzadi 1979 → 19:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
    • Ah, I see. My apologies; a mistake on my part. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 01:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Accepting 13, 14, and 15 in good faith. Although they are online, I cannot verify all the information unless I also have access to the offline map sources. However, with regards to 14 and 15, neither link to the maps that the actual refs describe.

It seems that ODOT reshuffled their website, again. The links are updated, but I caution that if you download the maps, 1) they're several MBs apiece (usually 7–10), and 2) they require software capable of reading the MrSID format. Imzadi 1979 → 08:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm having issues opening it, so I'll leave it be. Perhaps it should be archived in case ODOT reshuffles its website again? --Starstriker7^(Talk) 01:02, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

At some point, we'll probably build an OH version of the map templates used in MD and DE now... so we can update the URLs in the template. For now though, it's not needed, and I don't know that the archive sites will handle MrSID files. Imzadi 1979 → 01:33, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Overall comments

Criteria 3, 4, 5, and 6 passed. Checking 2 now. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 16:07, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I've verified all refs except for 13, 14, and 15. I'll finish up in a moment. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 16:45, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I've completed the review. I am placing this article on hold. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 16:51, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Replied above. Imzadi 1979 → 19:07, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

It looks like everything has been addressed. I am passing the article now. --Starstriker7^(Talk) 02:00, 10 May 2012 (UTC)