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Date inconsistency?[edit]

"Majorian was the author of a number of remarkable laws, contained in the Codex Theodosianus."

But Codex Theodosianus states that "the compilation was published in 438" - long before Majorian was Emperor. Something hasn't been fully explained here. If it means they were *added* to the CT, it should say so explicitly. 86.132.138.201 23:17, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably a reference to the Novellae Post-Theodosianae. According to this site:
"The imperial constitutions subsequent to the publication of the Theodosianus got the name of Novels (novellae leges). There were three collections of these, all made in the Western Empire, and they are generally known as post-Theodosian Novels. The first collection containing edicts of Theodosius himself, sent by him to Valentinian III in 447, was published by the latter emperor in the following year. The second collection contained in addition to edicts of Theodosius some edicts of Marcian and other emperors of the East, and also some of Valentinian, Majorian and other emperors of the West." —Abou 00:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Theoderic the Visigoth[edit]

Quote: Having during his stay in Gaul defeated Theodoric the Visigoth and then concluded an alliance with him, at the beginning of 461 he crossed... - Theoderic was in 460 about 8 Years old and after this trouble as Hostage in the hand of the Eastromans. It is impossible that he was the Chief of the trouble or "be defeated" or than "allianced" in this time. Please, forgive me my lousy english -- Hartmann Schedel Prost 13:55, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hm, ok I right see now that its meant Theoderic II., but why was Theoderic the Great as Ostrogoth in the Age of 8 Years than Hostage in Byzanz? -- Hartmann Schedel Prost 14:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Use of the word concerted[edit]

"Majorian was one of the last emperors to make a concerted effort to restore the Western Roman Empire."

Can one person "make a concerted effort"? --Tokle (talk) 10:16, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Date deposed[edit]

The text says 3 August, but today (2 August) is shown on main page as date deposed. Downsize43 (talk) 00:24, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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To J or not to J[edit]

The man’s name in Latin is either spelled with two Js (“Julius Valerius Majorianus”) or none whatsoever (“Iulius Valerius Maiorianus”). Currently the name as given is “Julius Valerius Maiorianus,” which makes no sense at all — either use consonantal J or don’t, but don’t use it in the man’s first name and not use it in his last name. That’s looney toons. Nevertheless, my edit keeps getting reversed, and it was suggested by the reverser that I post here. The reverser also suggests that this is his attempt to conform this article to Wikipedia’s naming conventions for ancient Romans — which is, of course, nonsense, since the guidelines in question are silent on Latin orthography! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8802:5500:3b40:c7d:c409:6317:47c2 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Don't think it matters much if we go with I or J but it should be consistent, especially within a name. Ichthyovenator (talk) 08:29, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nowhere does it say we need to be consistent, especially if the pronunciation is by all intents and purposes identical. Julius Caesar is pretty much always called Gaius Julius Caesar rather than 'Gaius Iulius Caesar' or 'Gajus Julius Caesar'. Sources never bother with the correct use of 'i' and 'j' when there's a consonantal 'i' at hand – what they do is to generally use 'j' when a consonantal 'i' is the first letter of a common name (such as Julius), and always use 'i' everywhere else.
There is, thus, nothing wrong with 'Julius Maiorianus'. Julius is a commonly recognizable name, whereas 'Maiorianus' reflects the correct origin and pronunciation behind the common appellation 'Majorian'. We should just follow what sources do instead of imposing an arbitrary standard of consistency. Avis11 (talk) 00:04, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Madness. Latin sources certainly do not name him “Julius Valerius Maiorianus” — they either call him “Iulius Valerius Maiorianus” or “Julius Valerius Majorianus.” I have no objection to his name in English being rendered with a J — that is, indeed, the more recognizable form! But his Latin name either uses consonantal J or it does not. It is not, therefore, an arbitrary standard of consistency — it’s a standard of consistency perfectly in line with our sources. Likewise, if the previous commentator can find me an edition from the last century of the works of Julius Caesar which refers to his name in Latin as “Gaius Julius Caesar” as opposed to “Gaius Iulius Caesar” or “Gajus Julius Caesar,” I will eat my metaphorical hat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8802:5500:3b40:408e:6bd7:334e:522f (talk • contribs) 19:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, please learn how to use talk-page indentations correctly so I don't have to correct them. Second, sign your posts. Third, do not start an edit-war without a consensus. Fourth, this is English Wikipedia, which follows reliable sources in English, with the commonly used alphabet in English, and with the commonly used letters of this alphabet, all in English, not in Latin. If we followed Latin to the letter we would have to render his name as IVLIVS MAIORIANVS. Most sources in English refer to the dictator as "Gaius Julius Caesar", so that's what Wikipedia does. English-language authors who use the letter 'J' for Latin words never follow this rule that 'J' must either be used in all consonantal 'I's or not at all, so we in Wikipedia can afford to disregard it too (especially if the difference in pronunciation between the two 'i's is zero in most cases). We instead simply use 'J' whenever a common name with it appears. Avis11 (talk) 20:41, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as a guy who isn't involved in this except through seeing it on RC patrol, it seems like an issue that probably has relevance to more than just this one page. Is there a relevant RfC anywhere around WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome? Surely this has been discussed before. jp×g 21:41, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Absences of Flavius[edit]

I noticed that his name was previously rendered as Flavius Julius Valerius Majorianus, but it seems that Flavius has now been removed. Is there a particular source that lists his full name? I hvaen't found Fl. anywhere on his coins so I am inclined to agree with this edit; how long was Flavius on his page previously? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blyndblitz (talk • contribs) 22:49, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overall I'm a bit skeptical of how the names of the emperors are handled right now, but Flavius does not appear to have been used by Majorian during his reign, no. Craven (2019) gives Majorian's full name before becoming emperor as Flavius Julius Valerius Maiorianus and his imperial style as Dominus Noster Julius Maiorianus Perpetuus Augustus, dropping both Flavius and Valerius. Both Flavius and Valerius are also clearly absent in the coin featured in this article, which titles him Dominus Noster Julius Maiorianus Pius Felix Augustus. Ichthyovenator (talk) 12:11, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Greatly appreciate this reply, thank youBlyndblitz (talk) 22:02, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Blyndblitz: going straight to the point, Flavius is wrong. Source for it is this, pp. 36–40. Avilich (talk) 20:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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