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A fact from Malayanil appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 April 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Indian writer Malayanil was a pioneer of modern short-story writing in the Gujarati language?

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~~... that Gujarati writer Malayanil pioneered the modern Gujarati short story writing?~~ Source: "Das, Sisir Kumar (2005). History of Indian Literature. Sahitya Akademi. pp. 309, 658. ISBN 9788172010065

Reviewed: Ravi Kumar Dahiya
Comment: ~~Copyediting requested at GOCE.~~ Done

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 06:01, 23 February 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Review started. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 20:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Other problems: - (1) Since all of the cited sources are off-line or non-English, it would be helpful to include a citation after each sentence. This will also be critical for a copy editor to rearrange sentences. (2) The following sentences need to be refined: "It is considered as the first modern short story in Gujarati. The story was praised for its humour, characterisations, theme and plot." In both cases, the question is: By whom? For the first sentence, it may be fine to say "generally considered" given the sources appear to support that. For the second sentence, was it praised by: contemporaries or later writers, critics, etc.; generally or by a particular individual?

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - Is it neutral to say he "pioneered Gujarati short story writing" versus "was a pioneer of ..."? This source appears to refer to a dispute over who is considered to be "the pioneer of the short story in Gujarati" (emphasis added), but I can't see the full sentence to be able to judge.
Interesting:
Other problems: - Is there any reason the photograph, File:Kanchalal Vasudev Mehta Malayanil.jpg, should not be included with the DYK hook?

QPQ: - Pending.
Overall: The article generally meets DYK criteria but needs to be copy edited (requested by the nom here). Sourcing is partly verified and partly accepted in good faith, given nearly all sources are off-line or non-English. The only statements I could personally verify (relying on a machine translation of one source) were: he was born Kanchanlal Vasudev Mehta, raised in Ahmedabad, received a BA in Science, was unable to take his M.Lit. exam in Bombay due to illness, married Bhanumati, wrote "Govalani", was a/the pioneer of the non-didactic modern Gujarati short story, and died in Ahmadebad. The hook is interesting, as is the article overall. The question of "pioneered" (which reads like "the pioneer") versus "a pioneer" could be a non-issue, or one easily addressed by slightly rephrasing the hook and associated sentence in the article. QPQ is pending. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 00:02, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Black Falcon: I made changes in hook and in article: "a pioneer". I have also refined to above mentioned sentence. I have not added references to each and every sentence because it will unnecessarily clutter the paragraph when whole paragraph is based on that source. I have added references at the end of a sentence or a group of sentences. Regarding dispute of a pioneer, there is a consensus that he was a pioneer of "modern" short story writing in Gujarati. I will add note about this. Poor quality image so not included here. ~~I will soon complete QPQ.~~ QPQ ongoing added. Proposed refine hook below: -Nizil (talk) 07:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Indian writer Malayanil was a pioneer of modern short story writing in Gujarati?

Thanks for your response.

All content issues are addressed, so ALT1 is ready pending completion of QPQ. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 00:10, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Black Falcon, the QPQ review appears to have been completed, though Nizil Shah never posted that fact here. Please return when you can to wrap up your review. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, @BlueMoonset:. I forgot to mention it here. @Black Falcon:, have a look.-Nizil (talk) 04:22, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

QPQ done. ALT1 is ready to go. Thanks for this article on an interesting historical figure! -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 17:39, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GOCE copyedit request[edit]

Hello again, Nizil Shah! I'm taking a look at another article of yours, and I have a few questions:

~~His father was on a high designation in a cotton mill: What does "high designation" mean? High-ranking position? Literally high up above the sea?~~

High-ranking position. The reference does not specify the position.

Done Changed to High-ranking position

~~He matriculated in 1908: I have since changed "matriculated" to "enrolled in university". Does it say which university he entered?~~

Matriculation was a completion of schooling at 10th level. See Matriculation#India. "Enrolled in university" would be not true. So should be reverted.

Done reverted.

Thanks for the clarification. I've updated the link to point to the proper section when it is clicked on.

~~In 1916, he took a job as a lawyer in a firm of solicitor Bhaishankar Kanga: The solicitor's name is Bhaishankar Kanga? He has multiple firms?~~

Bhaishankar Kanga is a solicitor's name. Name of his firm is not mentioned in reference. I don't know if he had any other firms.

Done removed "one of".

~~During his graduation years: Is this before or after he graduated?~~

When he was then studying in a course.

Done changed to study years. Is it OK?

Is this before he matriculated?

No, between 1909 and 1912, when he was studying BA from the University of Bombay.

Done. I've copyedited that with the assumption that his years of studying are in the source provided.

~~He came in contact with Haji Mohammed Allarakha Shivji who encouraged him to write a short story "Govalani" which was published in his magazine: Emphasis added. "His" meaning "Shivji's"?~~

Yes, "His" meaning "Shivji's".

~~He pioneered the modern Gujarati short story writing: Just him? Or was he one of few?~~

He is generally considered as a pioneer of "modern" short stories. His contemporaries were writing short stories but not according to "modern" short story criteria.

~~He had also written about 250 poems including some humourous poems: Is he well known for his humourous poems?~~

Yes, he is known for his humour and humorous poems so should be included.-Nizil (talk) 06:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tenryuu:, I have answered your questions. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 06:25, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nizil Shah: Thanks for the answers; the questions that I am satisfied with being answered have been struck out. There's still one more question about where he was studying when he was writing poems (see above). --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 07:18, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tenryuu: Replied. See above. Please copyedit a note which I have added.-Nizil (talk) 07:28, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nizil Shah: Thanks for the answer. I'll give it another final look when I wake up tomorrow before considering it complete. --Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 07:39, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]