Talk:Malik al-Ashtar

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strong need for a "Caliph" template[edit]

The only available one is "monarch" while this can (kind of) apply to Emirs and Sultans it absolutely cannot apply to the office of Caliph or Caliphate. These are two extremely different terms and it's important to recognize this as such. A monarch is one that is bound by a constitution or is absolute, a Caliph must be binding to the Quran, the Sunnah and the Shura of his people. This is one of the responsibilities outlined to Malik Al-Ashtar by Ali (RA) himself. I would be more than happy to provide more sources for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:5163:1200:0:0:0:9486 (talk) 03:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Part about uthman[edit]

the part about uthman uses shiite ahadith as references and these hadith are extremley biased and especially so against uthman. shiite ahadith is not accepted by sunnis who make up 85%-90% of claiments to islam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.15.199.110 (talk) 03:24, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I strongly question the idea that Malik died in the Battle of Siffin. Usually he and Ali Talib are thought to be victorious and went onto fight the battle of Layla-tul-Harir. freestylefrappe July 1, 2005 21:43 (UTC)

Dear brother, do you even know what that was or when it happend?

In that case, could you enlighten me?

--Striver 1 July 2005 22:48 (UTC)

Haha...it is an obscure event...perhaps strongly question was an bit extreme...but view the second link. freestylefrappe July 2, 2005 02:20 (UTC)

Let me make a guess.. You never heard of it befour reading it in that link? --Striver 2 July 2005 19:39 (UTC)

No I heard of it...just not an expert concerning it..though..no one seems to be...it would be good to find more external links to draw info from. freestylefrappe July 2, 2005 21:42 (UTC)

So, would you like to retract "Usually he and Ali Talib are thought to be victorious and went onto fight the battle of Layla-tul-Harir"? If you read that article more carefully, youll se that it says nothing of the kind --Striver 2 July 2005 22:17 (UTC)

Changing the Title and the Arabic[edit]

I'm new to wiki editing so I don't know how to do this. There is a correction that must be made to the title, "Malik ibn Ashter". It must be corrected to "Malik al-Ashtar since "al-Ashtar" was an appellation and not his father's name. I have mentioned this in the article, but I don't know how to make the change to the title, nor do I know how to do this for the Arabic language part where his name his written again as "Malik ibn Ashtar" which is incorrect. Any changes and/or assistance would be much appreciated. --Furtfurt 20:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blatant POV[edit]

Blatant POV in the Malik al-Ashtar article under the heading "Views on al-Ashtar." No references provided to support the claim, thus removed.

Serving in Ali's Caliphate[edit]

This section needs to be cleaned up if anyone has the time. If not, I'll get to it at some later point in time. Furtfurt 20:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I cleaned it up for you by shifting it into several sub sections. Hope you like it.

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Requested move 21 December 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: restore the stable title Malik al-Ashtar per the discussion below and the block of the originator of this request as a sockpuppet. Dekimasuよ! 05:54, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Malik bin al-Harith → Malik ibn al-Harith – Early Islamic figures are all written with "ibn" instead of "bin" such as Ammar ibn Yasir, Khalid ibn al-Walid, Amr ibn al-As, Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr, Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr etc. Literally all are spelled this way, "bin" is more used on modern articles such as Mohammed bin Salman, Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan etc. Shi'anAliIbnAbiTalib (talk) 10:08, 19 December 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). – robertsky (talk) 01:32, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move back to original title Malik al-Ashtar – This page was moved on 15 December away from Malik al-Ashtar by Azezlvi, who is a block-evading sock (SheryOfficial). More to the point, Malik al-Ashtar appears to be the common name (compare 463 vs 33 or 24 results in Google Scholar). Apart from that, per WP:MOSAR the Arabic word بن/ابن (English: son of) should be transcribed ibn unless a common transcription requires the colloquial bin (we are dealing with a basic transcription here, as for most or all historical figures), so the OP is right to request "ibn". If not the apparently most common name Malik al-Ashtar, the title of this page should at the very least be Malik ibn al-Harith or Malik ibn al-Harith al-Ashtar (cf., e.g., [1]). ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 17:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.