Talk:Marcus Bastiaan/Archive 1

Bastiaan background

Is this a valid source in link? [[1]] --Smokeyfire (talk) 05:29, 13 October 2017 (UTC)Smokeyfire

Fathers support

It is a fact Bastiaan's father supported him in life that is stated in a article used as a citation. --Smokeyfire (talk) 13:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)Smokeyfire This article in link states his father helped him [[2]] --Smokeyfire (talk) 09:12, 4 December 2017 (UTC)Smokeyfire

This information was has been repeatedly removed by at least one user that has a registered account for unknown reasons.

The stuff that talks about the father of Bastiaan supporting the antiques business has since been added back.--110.22.50.32 (talk) 09:13, 8 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

Bias?

Bastiaan is obviously a very controversial figure in the Victorian Liberal party to say the least. I get the distinct impression from reading the article that many irrelevant things have been added which merely serve the purpose of damaging Bastiaan and assassinating his character. How on earth is the demerit point story in the article or his friendship with someone who once got into a fistfight relevant? This article reads like a few factional Liberal party hacks have gotten together to write a hit-piece on him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.215.178.124 (talk) 06:07, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

What you think of the article now 218.215.178.124? --110.22.50.32 (talk) 08:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32110.22.50.32 (talk)

Yeah this article has in the past been a bit partial, its to be expected though with the more Bastiaan rises up the more attention he will from the factional Liberal hacks etc.

Is Bastiaan a Republican or a Monarchist?

Does Bastiaan support the Republic? 110.22.50.32--110.22.50.32 (talk) 16:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC) Bastiaan is a monarchist though he does support a Republic model where the elected President in the Australian Republic does a term of six years.

Bastiaan on gay marriage?

Bastiaan was questioned by journos about being for gay marriage pp [[3]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.22.50.32 (talk) 08:39, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Who cares? He's neither standing for nor a member of parliament. And it's really no longer an issue in Australia. HiLo48 (talk) 10:02, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

This is not an answer either way, therefore it doesn't get included per WP:BLP. The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:40, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Although a article indicated Bastiaan is personally in favor of gay marriage I accept the facts at hand that it should not be included. --110.22.50.32 (talk) 06:00, 4 July 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32|110.22.50.32--110.22.50.32 (talk) 06:00, 4 July 2018 (UTC) Bastiaan does not support gay marriage he is a true genuine conservative you were just trying to diminish his character.

Cleanup

As some will notice, I just did a major cleanup and restructure. I will pause for now (it's bloody hard work!), and am inviting others to constructively add to what I have done. Note to Liberal party aficionados - we do not need more internal party trivia thanks. HiLo48 (talk) 06:03, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you - it is much, much better than it was. It could really use a full rewrite based on what reliable sources have to say about Bastiaan, but at least this pruned-of-crap article is a good start. The Drover's Wife (talk) 08:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

I removed some of the less relevant details about his business and family life. If notability is established (and I am not sure it is) then the primary thrust should be the political aspects. Shritwod (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks - good job. The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:40, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Bastiaan on Guy

Matthew Guy and Marcus Bastiaan met to arrange a peace deal but prior

Bastiaan was accused of planning for Guy to lose the 2018 Victorian election as these citations indicate. --110.22.50.32 (talk) 08:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32110.22.50.32 (talk)

[[4]] [[5]]

Status of Kroger

Michael Kroger is only Liberal President now because of Bastiaan --110.22.50.32 (talk) 06:19, 23 July 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~ [[6]]

The Talk page is for discussing improvements to the article. An opinion like that contributes nothing. HiLo48 (talk) 06:42, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Yacht club and Guy

Bastiaan did borrow a myki card a seniors myki card and being under 55 makes him ineligable — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.22.50.32 (talk) 06:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC) Bastiaan and Gut met to make a peace deal prior Bastiaan was accused of undermining Guy. Guy and Bastiaan meeting each other after mentioning the staging for the election lose is a attempt at being impartial. --110.22.50.32 ([[User talk:|talk]]) 06:55, 23 July 2018 (UTC)110.22.50--~~

And none of this is important enough to appear in this article. HiLo48 (talk) 06:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh okay --110.22.50.32 (talk) 07:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

New Generation

Bastiaan, Stephanie Ross and Karina Okotel are part of the new generation of Liberals and Bastiaan is friends with Paul Mitchell who they call the wolf Bastiaan also attends functions of the Edmund Burke CLub. [[7]] --110.22.50.32 (talk) 07:19, 23 July 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

This is not notable enough or adequately referenced for Wikipedia and will inevitably be removed. Please see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. The Drover's Wife (talk) 07:55, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Acknowledged Drover--110.22.50.32 (talk) 08:36, 23 July 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

Stephanie Bastiaan

Stephanie Ross is now known as Stephanie Bastiaan since marrying Marcus Bastiaan. She challenged Gary Blackwood for his seat but Blackwood retained pre selection she had the support of Marcus Bastiaan. PM Turnbull also supported her while Matthew Guy supported Blackwood --110.22.50.32 (talk) 09:58, 23 July 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32|--110.22.50.32 (talk) 09:58, 23 July 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32|

The preselection challenge is already in the article. I'm not sure the details of who supported who in his wife's contest is relevant to an article about Marcus (rather than Stephanie) Bastiaan. The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:28, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Bastiaan's reverted FEC victory over Kaye Farrow

It is true Bastiaan's victory over Kaye Farrow to be chairof Goldstein Federal electorate conference got reverted by former state director Damien Mantach as added by Wikifriend1000 in March of this year? --110.22.50.32 (talk) 07:58, 8 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

110.22.50.32110.22.50.32 (talk) 09:46, 31 July 2018 (UTC) It is true Bastiaan challenged her the meeting was in 2013 where Andrew Robb and the majority of the branch thought Farrow would continue on in her position some got upset that Bastiaan showed up like 100 of his mates but that politics for you he had a right to challenge, it was not against party policy to initiate a challenge like that.

Oops - can someone please mark this page for deletion.

Editing on a tablet I accidentally deleted the summary. I cannot work out how to undo, or how mark this person for deletion either. Can someone please do this?

He's a member of a committee of a political party, he has never held public office, the sources here are dicey. There should not be an article. Gramagical (talk) 13:43, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

This discussion has been had. See the note at the top of this page. HiLo48 (talk) 01:15, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

If I had this article on my watchlist, which I thought I did, I would have absolutely argued for its retention. Onetwothreeip (talk) 02:21, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

James Newbury currently Liberal Candidate for Brighton

Newbury is now the Liberal candidate for Brighton, Newbury was backed by Bastiaan.--110.22.50.32 (talk) 05:15, 8 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32 --~~

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And it's a very minor piece of news in relation to this article. Not worth mentioning. HiLo48 (talk) 06:53, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Newbury should he win the at next state election will be the member for Brighton a safe Liberal seat. It is not some marginal it has had a state Treasurer Alan Stockdale represent it prior to Louise Asher becoming the MP for it. Newbury is still mentioned on the Matthew Guy page. --110.22.50.32 (talk) 07:50, 8 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

Guy said he wants more women in the parliament but Newbury winning over Felicity Frederico and Margaret Fitzherbert was seen as something contradicting that, same with Brad Rowswell winning pre selection in Sandringham. --110.22.50.32 (talk) 07:53, 8 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

This was also prior to Guy and Bastiaan meeting for the first time to put differences aside. Newbury got pre selected because of Bastiaan's support during 2016. It may be seen as a minor piece of newws but if Newbury ends up a Mp that will give it more notability 110.22.50.32 (talk) 08:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

Please get out and have a look at a lot more Wikipedia articles. We simply don't go into such minutiae and internal party machinations. And do have a read of WP:INDENT and WP:SIGN. HiLo48 (talk) 08:11, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Bastiaan endorses

Bastiaan has pledged support to all the current federal mp's as this article has stated.--110.22.50.32 (talk) 07:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~ [[9]] I edited the election to be in 2019 No one knows though when exactly the Federal election will take place obviously but it will likely be in 2019 unless it is called earlier by the Prime Minister or a scenario like the dismissal or if like Tony Abbott challenges Turnbull right before the election like Rudd did to Gillard during June 2013.--110.22.50.32 (talk)110.22.50.32110.22.50.32 (talk) 09:03, 8 August 2018 (UTC) On anyhand Bastiaan and Kroger too as the article states have backed the current Liberal Federal mp' in Parliament. .--110.22.50.32 (talk) 07:29, 8 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~ Due to the state election in Victoria coming this year it makes it unlikely the federal election will happen in 2018 to clarify.

Democratic Reform Convention

In New South Wales former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott spoke at a Democratic reform convention.

Marcus Bastiaan also spoke as well as Angus Taylor. The event was held in the year 2016 which was thirteen months after Tony Abbott was overthrown as Prime Minister by the current Liberal PM and party leader Malcolm Turnbull. This is a citation regarding Bastiaan speaking at the reform convention.

[[10]] --110.22.50.32 (talk) 09:32, 8 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~ At the event Bastiaan to those who had attended the event "It's only the best and brightest who can carry your state." --110.22.50.32 (talk) 09:47, 8 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

Meant to type Bastiaan SPOKE I went and repaired what I did not spell properly.--110.22.50.32 (talk) 10:18, 8 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--110.22.50.32 (talk) 10:18, 8 August 2018 (UTC) Spoke like speaking.--110.22.50.32 (talk) 10:19, 8 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32110.22.50.32 (talk) 10:19, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

For our new editors

@161.43.216.34 and 110.22.50.32: you are welcome to contribute to the Marcus Bastiaan article and other articles, but make sure it is written so that the ordinary Wikipedia reader can understand it. Many of the terms and phrases here are only known by people in politics, particularly the Liberal Party, and there is plenty of context missing. Obviously you both are involved in the party, but most readers are not. Also make sure there are references for new facts, and personal attacks on the subject are not allowed. There is also no need to continuously make a section in the talk page every time you want to bring up something about Bastiaan. Onetwothreeip (talk) 04:00, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Okay I understand what you say. --110.22.50.32 (talk) 07:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~ Oh by the way I am not a member of the Australian Liberal party It is possible members of the Liberal party have edited the Bastiaan page but thought I should just note that i am not a member.--110.22.50.32 (talk) 08:09, 15 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

Is it okay the article mentions Bastiaan point of view on recruiting people to the Liberal party which is sourced or not? as the article mentions the accusations of branch staking having Bastiaan's point of view mentioned is merely giving the other side of the matter. --110.22.50.32 (talk) 08:20, 15 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

The article can include allegations of branch stacking. Everything has to be supported, it's not good enough to claim Bastiaan is branch stacking just because the article includes his response. Onetwothreeip (talk) 08:36, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

I acknowledge what you say Onetwothreeip yeah your right about things having to be sourced.--110.22.50.32 (talk) 09:10, 15 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~ I also note what 161.43.216.34 about Bastiaan supporting the Monarchy but no point adding that to the page unless a source can verify Bastiaan's stance on that.--110.22.50.32 (talk) 09:11, 15 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

It is okay that the Peter Reith challenge to Kroger for the Liberal State President job? is added to the page

this use to be on the page but was removed [[11]]

--110.22.50.32 (talk) 09:20, 15 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

This is an additional source about the Reith Kroger challenge [[12]] --110.22.50.32 (talk) 09:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

Bastiaan's Brighton branch President Successor

Is it true Bastiaan was replaced as chairman or President of the Brighton Liberal Branch by Zach Bassentti after he stepped down in 2017?--110.22.50.32 (talk) 10:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~

Goldstein candidacy 2016

In 2016 Andrew Robb announced he was going to retire at the Federal election which was held that year when time came to select his successor the candidates were Georgina Downer son of Alexander Downer, Denis Dragovic, Tim Wilson then Human Rights Commissioner and Marcus Bastiaan. Bastiaan later withdrew and supported Dragovic who lost to Tim Wilson who was elected that year. Tim Wilson (Australian politician) It is a fact Bastiaan ran is it alright this gets included in the article? --110.22.50.32 (talk) 10:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)110.22.50.32--~~ [[13]]

[[14]] Denis Dragovic has spoken at the Rotary club which Bastiaan has attended. [[15]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.22.50.32 (talk) 11:19, 15 August 2018 (UTC)