Talk:Mario's Time Machine

Contradictory information

The article says that the PC and SNES versions were released in 1993, and the NES version, 1994, but the box on the right says that the PC version was released 1993, and the SNES and NES versions, 1994. Which is correct? ::Travis Evans 18:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Criticism of Mario's Time Machine

I've noticed that a large portion of this article is devoted to negative reception and criticism of the Mario's Time Machine game. It seems to me to conflict with Wikipedia's policy of NPOV. If this subject receives no response within the next 24 hours, the criticism sections will be removed. 67.80.144.146 (talk) 23:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

We cant help that the game is notable for being horrible. If that criticism wasn't listed, then it would not be notable, and the article would be deleted. Which would you rather have? An article showing the real reaction to the game, or no article at all? _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 00:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you really believe I should take the word of someone who is prejudiced toward Mario games that they don't like? You can't add criticism to the game just becuase you hate it. If there is no reasonable explanation for why this shouldn't be removed by 23:42, 8 July 2011 (UTC), I'll remove it. Period. End of story. 67.80.144.146 (talk) 00:35, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I have never played the game. I have never even edited this article. What I am saying is that good coverage just might not exist. The game is famous for being a bad game. If you remove that coverage, then the article will not have enough coverage for notability guidelines, and will be a candidate for deletion. So by asking for the removal of the criticism, you are asking for the removal of the article from Wikipedia. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 02:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome. It seems you are arguing that the WP:NPOV policy requires that the article only presents neutral opinions of the subject or that equal weight is given to the positive and negative views towards the subject, is this correct? WP:NPOV requires that articles describe negative arguments without engaging in them and in particular specifies that in order to be neutral an article does not have to give equal weight to both sides. Things to watch out for that you can help with is making sure that the article itself maintains an impartial tone while representing relevant negative views. If you feel that the criticism is being presented disproportionately larger than the praise then please find a verifiable source praising the game to add in. Thank you.AerobicFox (talk) 05:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Pretty much anything I could say has already been said. Neutrality isn't about forcing balanced coverage. Should we give a neutral view on Custer's Revenge, and ensure that we don't have more negative criticism than positive criticism for it? The game was marred by women's rights activists, by Native American groups, by gamers, by the media, and free-thinking human beings. It is considered one of the worst video games ever created. Why should a Wikipedia article not reflect the fact that Mario's Time Machine is roundly criticized? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 06:09, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks guys, and I'm sorry I misjudged you, Blake. Well, at least I didn't remove the sections abruptly without discussion. Keep in mind though that games in the Mario series do not have to take place in the Mushroom Kingdom or in some imaginary universe. Points of view contrary to this are mentioned in the article, and that is what I am most pissed about, not merely that it received widely negative reviews, because I don't think that the game was that well made myself. The article has links to sites that say Mario shouldn't be placed in the real world. But "Mario" is an actual name in the real world (i.e. Mario Andretti), and after all, the Nintendo character Mario is an Italian-American plumber from Brooklyn (so is his brother Luigi). Would it be possible to trim the sections of criticism so that it focuses on the gameplay and not the contextual intricacies of Mario's universe and atmosphere? 67.80.144.146 (talk) 13:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

That would be a violation of WP:NPOV; we can't remove content just because you disagree with it. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 09:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

And I think that statement is wrong. Rather, I think those unnecessary passages I mentioned in the criticisms bashing Mario's Time Machine is a violation of NPOV. Therefore, I think it is safe that something amounting to a compromise should be made, or that that stuff should be removed. I think we should also note this example: Wikipedia:Ignore all rules. I think that this policy fits the situation here perfectly: I am working to improve and maintain Wikipedia. Personally, I think that the people who write stuff like "Mario doesn't belong in the real world" are unabashedly fools who are thinking way inside the box. There is no rule that states that Mario must only be in the imaginary world, and that he should be limited to that is something the article seems to support, though indirectly. 67.80.144.146 (talk) 13:43, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Presenting the opinions of notable game reviewers in the reception section of a videogame is perfectly appropriate, no matter how negative or positive the reviews are. WP:NPOV is explicit enough on this, you cannot and should not remove significant views(in this case many negative ones) in order to artificially present both viewpoints as equal. Specifically, see WP:WEIGHT, a subset of WP:NPOV which discusses appropriate weight to give in sources. The example given is how the Fat Earth theory is not mentioned in the article on Earth because it is such a minority opinion, and similarly here one view, namely that it was a generally bad game, is by far the major view being presented because that is what is primarily reflected by the sources, and what is primarily the general consensus.AerobicFox (talk) 14:10, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

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Will someone please tell me specifics?

I find it rather irritating that I have never found information about this game and the Virtual Console. If Mario's Time Machine is on the Virtual Console, will someone please say so? If you've searched the Nintendo eShop, Wii Shop Channel, whatever, and it isn't there, please respond also.

The reason for wanting to know this is in the case it's true that it is on Virtual Console, then it should be put in the Article.

ConnallES (talk) 20:46, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Mario's Time Machine Deluxe Mac Intro

The version of Mario's Time Machine Deluxe I had had an extended intro. Apparently, Mario finds out about Bowser's plan after the words in his history book vanishes and it's the time machine itself that tells Mario Bowser's plan to steal the artifacts from history. And there's a female narrator who tells the story and provides the information in Bowser's castle's library. This narration is not entirely accurate and I unfortunately cannot play the game since the CD is scratched to hell.

Narrator: And so, evil is stirring again. Bowser has constructed a time machine that will allow him to go back in time. Bowser has schemed up a plan that will make history...vanish.

Bowser: It's time my cunning Koopas to use the time machine and steal the most valuable artifacts that history has to offer!

Bowser: My collection is almost complete! And there's nothing that anyone can do! Not even that pesky Mario! This time, I will win!

Mario: Hey, whoa! What's going on? The words in my history book are disappearing! I bet that no good Bowser is up to his tricks again!

Narrator: If Bowser wins in changing history, he will use his time machine to transport himself to a tropical island to drink Koopa Cola and watch as history unravels. But if Mario can return all the stolen artifacts, he can use the time machine to send Bowser to the age of reptiles where Bowser can do no harm.

Time Machine: Bowser is sure to change history forever with my help! I can't let that happen! I'll secretly help Mario by sending him my blueprints. I've got to help Mario and show him Bowser's scheme right now!

Mario: These are the blueprints to Bowser's time machine in his museum. I have to get in there and return all the stolen artifacts before history is changed forever. With the help of the portal, I know I can do it! I better go to Bowser's castle right away!

Mario: At last! Bowser's castle! I'll show that no good reptile. He can't mess with history while I'm around to set things right!

User:RootOfAllLight —Preceding undated comment added 03:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)