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SRL is known for producing the most dangerous shows on earth.[edit]

Hi @Dialectric:, I have a COI with Survival Research Laboratories, so I thought I would ask you about your edit that removed "SRL is known for producing the most dangerous shows on earth." One possible citation for this phrase is the 1994 TV news magazine America Tonight. The TV listings for that show state 'artist Mark Pauline's "most dangerous show on Earth"'. A p. 6 of 2002 book or gallery guide also has the quote, though you may need to search GBooks for "most dangerous show" "Mark Pauline". Another ref is [1] that says "Their byline is 'producing the most dangerous shows on earth.' " This source might be quoting the SRL website]. So maybe the article could be updated to state:

SRL has been described as producing the "most dangerous shows on earth."^[1]^[2]

^ America Tonight. July 24, 1994.
^ Stone, George; Klonarides, Carole Ann (2003). George Stone, Probabilities - A Midcareer Survey. Retrieved August 23, 2023.

Or, perhaps the article could state that:

SRL describes themselves as "producing the most dangerous shows on earth."

With the above refs. You also added ^{[citation needed]} to:

Pauline has written of SRL, "Since its inception SRL has operated as an organization of creative technicians dedicated to re-directing the techniques, tools, and tenets of industry, science, and the military away from their typical manifestations in practicality, product or warfare."

This text appears at https://www.srl.org/about.html and in a 2005 web page or article on Wired. It also appears in [2] So perhaps the refs would be ^[1]^[2]

^ "Survival Research Labs in Los Angeles". Wired. Apr 4, 2005. Retrieved August 23, 2023.
^ Interface Art + Tech in the Bay Area. Duke University Museum of Art. 1998. ISBN 9780938989189. Retrieved August 23, 2023.

What are your thoughts on these proposed changes? If you disagree with my proposed changes, then no worries. Cxbrx (talk) 19:47, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for discussing the changes here and providing references. I have added the refs you provided for the quote I tagged as cite needed. I think the 'SRL describes themselves as "producing the most dangerous shows on earth."' is better supported than the original wording, but the refs are still a bit thin for what is either an WP:EXTRAORDINARY claim (Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources) or a self-promotional one. I will look over the sources again tonight and give a more detailed reply.Dialectric (talk) 21:32, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] America Tonight. July 24, 1994.

[2] Stone, George; Klonarides, Carole Ann (2003). George Stone, Probabilities - A Midcareer Survey. Retrieved August 23, 2023.

[3] "Survival Research Labs in Los Angeles". Wired. Apr 4, 2005. Retrieved August 23, 2023.

[4] Interface Art + Tech in the Bay Area. Duke University Museum of Art. 1998. ISBN 9780938989189. Retrieved August 23, 2023.

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