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A fact from Mark Takano appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 November 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Mark Takano is set to be the first non-White openly gay member of the United States House of Representatives?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2012/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mark Takano.

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"what is a woman?" Interview[edit]

I would like to add a section in personal life regarding his interview in the documentary "what is a woman?".

"In the documentary "What is a Woman?", Takano is asked a difficult question by interviewer Matt Walsh. Takano begins answering the question, leading him to come to the decision to end the interview early without providing a reason.

I am open to changes on how it is written. I don't know what the rules are for adding it in so I'll wait a few days before adding. Mangbroson (talk) 02:17, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need to cite this. "Wikipedia's verifiability policy requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations, anywhere in article space." There is nothing to challenge in this statement. Mangbroson (talk) 01:36, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the documentary "What is a Woman?", Takano is asked a difficult question by interviewer Matt Walsh. Takano begins answering the question, leading him to abruptly end the interview early without providing a reason.

How do I cite this documentary to your satisfaction alsowukai? You didn't add anything to the talk section. Are you disputing this is true? Mangbroson (talk) 16:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How do I cite this documentary to your satisfaction alsowukai? You can't. This "documentary" is WP:UNDUE for Takano's article. Your citation isn't WP:RS, not that it would overcome UNDUE, and edit isn't WP:NPOV, as well. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:51, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How is this documentary WP: UNDUE for Takano's article? I'm not arguing for or against the opinions in the documentary, I'm stating a fact. I backed up this fact with a citation that you consider unreliable. There is a simple solution - watch the documentary and you will find everything I said is true. There is no issue of neutrality if I am only stating a fact and not providing an opinion. I invited others to add or edit my writing if you think I left out certain facts about the interview. Right now, you've mentioned UNDUE, RS and NPOV as issues with my edit but none of them hold water. I don't want to assume you're arguing against my edit because of your feelings, but right now you're acting like a lawyer trying to stall a case you know you're going to lose. Finally, if you think this fact isn't relevant to his page, I would argue it is far more important than the fact that he makes teriyaki sauce with his family. I'm new to Wiki editing and learning trying to write with less hostility, but it seems you're trying to bully me into submission. @tamzin and User:@peter gulutzan can I get your opinions on this? Mangbroson (talk) 18:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@tamzin

@Peter Gulutzan Mangbroson (talk) 18:03, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Peter Gulutzan:

@Tamzin: Mangbroson (talk) 18:06, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, didn't see this. Matt Walsh's documentary has no bearing on Takano. Takano had a brief appearance in it, sure, but it's insignificant. The source "Red Voice Media" is not WP:RS, and the biased headline of the article is plenty to demonstrate why. Something being "true" does not mean that it gets added to Wikipedia. Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. You may not care for his teriyaki recipe, but RS give it more weight than his appearance in Matt Walsh's film. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:05, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apology accepted. They way he acted was significant. How can RS (sorry not sure who RS is) give more weight to his teriyaki recipe than an interview that shows him act this rudely? It is a perfectly justifiable argument that voters might want to know how this elected official acted during this interview. In response to the source - you are describing a source as not reliable when there is a video of Takano doing exactly as I wrote. It is clear you are making assertions that aren't true without having even looked at the source. If a source is true, verifiably, then it is reliable. I believe the actions of Muboshgu are classic stonewalling. After weighing the significance of his actions during the interview with the argument I made about how voters should know the way he acted, do you still consider my proposed addition as insignificant? If that is the case I believe we will have to move to the next steps (I don't know what they are yet). Mangbroson (talk) 22:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"RS" is a shortening of Reliable sources. We judge the depth of those reliable sources to determine what due weight is. The teriyaki has at least the one article in Roll Call dedicated to it. Whatever source you linked did not seem to be a reliable source. And Matt Walsh's documentary is not worth mentioning in the biography of Mark Takano. It's for the community to form WP:CONSENSUS on whether to include or not include something. You want this included, I object, I welcome the input of anybody else. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your personal feelings are getting in the way of the truth. This is why Wikipedia lacks respect in the real world - you are placing artificial scrutiny on the source I provided and describing it as not reliable even with a video that proves what I wrote is true, and I presume you're doing this because you don't like how it makes Takano look.User:Peter Gulutzan can I get your opinion on this? Mangbroson (talk) 15:58, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not "personal feelings" on my part, but I think you are letting yours influence you. Walsh's documentary is insignificant, especially in the context of Takano's life and career. You need to WP:AGF and not make insinuations that you cannot support. You cannot demonstrate that Walsh's documentary should be mentioned here. And you've already pinged Peter Gulutzan and Tamzin before. Their silence speaks to keeping this out, or else they would comment otherwise. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd prefer them come out and agree with you than be radio silent on this - I picked two wiki users - one that agreed with me and one that didn't on another issue - to get a fair opinion. My apologies on not assuming good faith. Mangbroson (talk) 16:31, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agreed with Mangbroson in a Globe and Mail thread and I believe due to other sources that Mr Takano had trouble when interviewed. But the reason that I did not respond earlier to the ping is: I am neutral about including the material. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 18:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I also invited Tamzin for a response because this wiki user and I did not fully agree. Thanks Peter Gulutzan for providing input. Mangbroson (talk) 14:57, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Include Rep. Takano's Position on Taiwan?[edit]

Given its relevance in the news today, wondering if something should be added to the article regarding Mr. Takano's support for Taiwan, as one of the political positions cited. Here is a source that talks about this. You can probably find others. https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022/08/a45e871c02ab-pelosis-taiwan-trip-helped-avoid-setting-wrong-example-congressman.html. Tpkatsa (talk) 00:15, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tpkatsa, sure, seems relevant. WP:BEBOLD. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:35, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]