Talk:Mary Bowes, Countess of Strathmore and Kinghorne

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Duplicate[edit]

Isn't she the same as Mary Bowes? Is this article a duplicate? User:Dimadick

Oops! Never post late at night. I will get rid of the other. scribblingwoman 01:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bought a newspaper[edit]

I'm assuming it's meant he bought a newspaper publication. Could someone please verify and update? Icemuon 17:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestor of the Queen[edit]

Mary is a direct ancestor of the present queen. The queen mother's maiden name was Bowes-Lyon. Shouldn't this be mentioned?

The beautiful Bowes estate (painted by Turner) is at Gibside, now in Gateshead, Tyne and Wear. The queen mother donated it to the National Trust.

As well as the play, the countess also wrote her extraordinary Confessions (1793)

Incidentally, where is this 'north country' the article speaks of. I think Stoney was apprehended at Streatlam Castle in County Durham.

Bandalore (talk) 07:14, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DNB article available[edit]

The DNB article at Wikisource is available at s:Bowes, Mary Eleanor (DNB00). To cite it use {{cite DNB|wstitle=Bowes, Mary Eleanor}} billinghurst sDrewth 16:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

spelling George Gray/Grey's name[edit]

The spelling of "George Gray/Grey" should be checked against sources and made consistent.--Wetman (talk) 15:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Abortions[edit]

I very much doubt that Mary had any self induced abortions. The only medicines available at that time that may cause abortions were extremely dangerous poisons. Although many doctors claimed to have potions that could do of all sorts of wondrous things, medicine was still in it's infancy, and there is no credible evidence that any abortionicides at that time worked without risk of death or serious injury to the mother. It makes it even more unbelievable when she was supposed to have had, not one but THREE such abortions. Why would she say that she had had three abortions? That would have been like admitting murder. AlwynJPie (talk) 18:31, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just in case anyone is still wondering about this....

There were and are several herbal abortifacients available, but they do require thorough herbal knowledge and the line between enough and too much can be difficult to determine. All too often the woman's age, build, and health were not given enough consideration.

Procedural abortion has been around for millennia as well; tools for dilation and evacuation existed even in Hippocrates' time. But again, not everyone doing abortions was properly trained to do so. Mary Bowes' wealth would have given her access to the more successful and safer remedies for unwanted pregnancy.

Induced abortions were more common than most people think, and while it was a crime the law often differentiated between pre- and post-"quickening" abortions. In England during Mary's time, the latter was punishable by death while the former was considered a misdemeanor. To skirt the legal issue, abortions were often advertised in publications under the guise of curing the "suppression of menstruation," i.e. get that period going and end the pregnancy. History Lunatic (talk) 06:32, 9 January 2016 (UTC)History Lunatic[reply]

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Inconsistent with the entry for her second husband[edit]

I've just read the Wikipedia entry for her second husband https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Robinson_Stoney, and I'm a little confused. 1. His page says the divorced was obtained 2 March 1789, while this page says it was still pending at her death in 1800. 2. His page says he was the widower of Hannah Newton, while this page says her lover George Gray was the widower of Hannah Newton. Surely both can't be true? 3. This page says that in August 1777, Mary became engaged to George Gray and gave birth to a daughter. Also that this daughter was born while married to Andrew Stoney, whom Mary had just met that same summer, and before marrying him she had time to write a pre-nup protecting her income. To make sense, that would all have had to happen that same month, which is possible, but I'm skeptical. The wedding date must be available, but it isn't listed. Minicarmen (talk) 04:57, 18 March 2018 (UTC)minicarmen[reply]