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Update: Future of the McMath-Pierce Telescope[edit]

Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented. Please see the Reply section dated 19-OCT-2018 below for more information about this request.

I would like to replace the section currently titled "Divestment by National Science Foundation and the Future of the McMath-Pierce solar telescope" with an updated section titled "Windows on the Universe Center for Astronomy Outreach", with content as follows:

In 2016, the National Science Foundation (NSF) announced that it would be divesting from the McMath-Pierce solar observatory. The National Solar Observatory, which operated the McMath-Pierce at the time, sought proposals from the scientific community for potential new operators. One proposal was received but ultimately rejected. A concept for retrofitting former support, office, and engineering rooms in the expansive underground portion of the solar observatory into a major astronomy outreach and education center was developed by the Kitt Peak Visitor Center manager,^[2] and provided to the NSF for consideration in July 2017. The concept was ultimately developed into a funding proposal to the NSF, submitted in May 2018. A funding award was made in September 2018 by the NSF to the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy, the organization that operates Kitt Peak National Observatory on behalf of the NSF.^[1][2]

The new center that will operate within the McMath-Pierce will be known as Windows on the Universe Center for Astronomy Outreach.^[1][2] The facility will be a state-of-the-art astronomy visualization and presentation center, highlighting research done at Kitt Peak and other NSF-funded astronomy facilities around the world.^[1] The three large solar telescopes located atop the 100-foot white tower will continue to be utilized, providing a live 3-foot diameter projected image of the Sun for visitors.^[2] In addition, two large and three small exhibit galleries will be created.^[1][2] A Science On a Sphere theater will be installed in one portion of the facility.^[2] A digital planetarium will be installed in a special theater in another part of the underground facility.^[2]

An important distinction between Windows on the Universe Center for Astronomy Outreach and other observatory visitor centers is its ability to collect images and data from all federally funded observatories and transform that data into files capable of being presented in the 125 other Science On a Sphere theaters. It will have the ability to project exciting discoveries into museums and science centers around the globe, serving as an international public portal into federally funded astronomy.^[2]

The new center is expected to open in late 2020.^[1][2] It will operate as an integrated component of the Kitt Peak National Observatory Visitor Center.^[1][2]

I work at the Kitt Peak Visitor Center, and my boss asked me to make these changes. He and I worked together to come up with this text.

References:

--Lasunncty (talk) 01:25, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 18-OCT-2018[edit]

Unable to review edit request Your edit request could not be reviewed because it is unclear which references are connected to which claim statements in the text of your proposal. When proposing edit requests, it is important to highlight in the text which specific sources are doing the referencing for each claim. The point of an inline citation is to allow the reviewer and readers to check that the material is sourced; that point is lost if the citation's note number is not clearly placed. Note the example below:

N INCORRECT

The sun is pretty big, but the moon is not so big. The sun is also quite hot.

References
      1. Sjöblad, Tristan. The Sun. Academic Press, 2018, p. 1.
      2. Duvalier, Gabrielle. "Size of the Moon", Scientific American, 51(78):46.
      3. Uemura, Shū. The Sun's Heat. Academic Press, 2018, p. 2.

In the example above there are three references provided, but the claim statements do not indicate which reference applies where. Your edit request similarly does not specify where the references you have provided are to be placed. These links between material and their source references must be more clearly made, as shown in the next example below:

Y CORRECT

The sun is pretty big,^[1] but the moon is not so big.^[2] The sun is also quite hot.^[3]

References

^ Sjöblad, Tristan. The Sun. Academic Press, 2018, p. 1.

^ Duvalier, Gabrielle. "Size of the Moon", Scientific American, 51(78):46.

^ Uemura, Shū. The Sun's Heat. Academic Press, 2018, p. 2.

In the example above, the links between the provided references and their claim statements are perfectly clear. Kindly reformulate your edit request so that it aligns more with the second example above, and feel free to re-submit that edit request at your earliest convenience. Please also note that all posts made to the talk page should be signed using four tildes placed at the end of your post ~~~~
Regards, Spintendo 21:50, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The following reason was given for denying my request:

Your request does not specify which source applies to which portion of the text. If a COI edit request contains a verbatim copy of the requested text, this ought to include properly formatted references placed at the precise location where a claim is made (See WP:INTEGRITY). "Please add the following sources" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "Please change x to y using z as the reference".

I was merely following the instructions on the {{request edit}} page which do not mention inline citations, but rather just listing them at the end. But I have now gone through the text above and inserted footnotes where appropriate. Please let me know if there is anything else that needs to be done. --Lasunncty (talk) 01:59, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 19-OCT-2018[edit]

Edit request partially implemented

Y Information on the the NSF's divestment and reinvestment via the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy was placed into the article.^[a]
N Individual plans involving the renovation and re-opening of the new center in late 2020 were omitted. As the descriptions of these plans involve a future configuration of the observatory which does not yet exist, these items are typically not allowed for placement in Wikipedia, per WP:NOTACRYSTALBALL. The press release for these plans was added as the reference, giving readers interested in accessing additional information the ability to access the link for it.

Regards, Spintendo 06:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ It should be noted that the narrative and timeline supplied by the COI edit request and implemented into the article are not clearly delineated. It states that the NSF divested and planned for accepting proposals for new operators. It then goes on to discuss how someone from the visitor center began plans for renovation which were submitted to the NSF (it appears submitted twice). The prose then states that the NSF gave the award to the group which operates the center on behalf of the NSF.

But the question remains when this other group took over the running of the facility—because the narrative only states that the NSF was planning to accept proposals for running the facility—but did not state who it chose until this last part of the paragraph.

This would have all been much clearer to understand if only the first narrative discussion regarding the handover by the NSF to a new operator would not have segued into a second narrative discussion—that of the proposed renovations—without first closing the outcome of the prior narrative.

[noteFoot01a] Sjöblad, Tristan. The Sun. Academic Press, 2018, p. 1.

[noteFoot02a] Duvalier, Gabrielle. "Size of the Moon", Scientific American, 51(78):46.

[noteFoot03a] Uemura, Shū. The Sun's Heat. Academic Press, 2018, p. 2.

[1] It should be noted that the narrative and timeline supplied by the COI edit request and implemented into the article are not clearly delineated. It states that the NSF divested and planned for accepting proposals for new operators. It then goes on to discuss how someone from the visitor center began plans for renovation which were submitted to the NSF (it appears submitted twice). The prose then states that the NSF gave the award to the group which operates the center on behalf of the NSF.

But the question remains when this other group took over the running of the facility—because the narrative only states that the NSF was planning to accept proposals for running the facility—but did not state who it chose until this last part of the paragraph.

This would have all been much clearer to understand if only the first narrative discussion regarding the handover by the NSF to a new operator would not have segued into a second narrative discussion—that of the proposed renovations—without first closing the outcome of the prior narrative.

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