Talk:Melayu Kingdom

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Factual accuracy[edit]

The problem with this article is that its not based upon WP:reliable sources, and much of the article is therefore wrong. Websites should not be used as information sources until they are considered to be authoritative, and I'm not aware of any websites which are authoritative sources for this topic. (Caniago 10:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Hi, the Dara Jingga, Bundo Kanduang, both I discovered at ms/id.Wikipedia and many other info too. If possible, you point out the 'incorrect' links, and we improve it. L joo 11:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, wikipedia cannot reference itself, including other language wikipedia's. Although, if they are reliable one could use references on other language wikipedias. Merbabu 13:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Munoz is a popular history of Southeast Asia with many inaccurate statements. The last paragraph on Parameswara is not supported by factual evidence in the form of reliable scholarly works. Tamadun (talk) 15:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source: Zenbology[edit]

What does it actually say? It is credible? I could not access it for almost a week now. Furthermore, the way the citation is done made it impossible to ascertain the claim. Munoz (2006) wrote that the center of the kingdom shifted to Jambi from Palembang instead Palembang being conquered by Jambi. It is odd to say that Jambi conquered Srivijaya (it may conquer Palembang though) when in fact, Jambi was Srivijaya. In fact, most of the citations do not seem credible and in conflict with some history books (such as Munoz's) that I read. __earth (Talk) 08:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: well, anybody living in Malaysia knows that the spoon-fed community came from Sumatra, similar to pendatang asing. Pretending not to understand the citation will make the spoon-fed community more ermm....crutch, is that the word? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.133.83.128 (talk) 19:31, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Mr Earth,
How come you said that Jambi was Srivijaya? Many historians mentioned that Jambi was Malayu's lineage while Palembang was Srivijayan lineage. --Mr. Knows (talk) 07:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
To UnsignedIP person,
You, the above unsigned reply looked like having racism by the phrase "spoon-fed community".
Hopefully, we, as humans and the ancestors of the world, should be act emotionless and have some respects to others regardless of their race. Please be polite to each others. --Mr. Knows (talk) 07:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Malaya, Melayu, Malay etymology[edit]

Recently the user: Dravidianhero pushing the Tamil version of Malay etymology and discarding other versions and making wild accusation of vandalism and threating blocking me from editing. Let's not be too hasty and emotional here. As far as I know Indonesia did absorb many aspect of Hindu-Buddhist influences from Indian through adoptions of Sanskrit and Pali languages, and to lesser extent, Tamil. You see, I did not even erase or reject the Tamil origin possibility of the "Malay" etymons, yet you reject other versions and pushing your view. The neutral solution is mentioning as many souces of Malay etymologies including its possible sanskrit origin. One should avoid a biased non-neutral, suspectedly ethnic-based chauvinist agenda. I perceive Dravidian hero as a fierce supporter of Tamil nationalist agenda here in wikipedia and pushed it in some articles he/she edited. I hope common understanding could be achieved, meanwhile the last complete version should be maintained. Regards.Gunkarta (talk) 15:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  1. No professional source claims that Sanskrit Malaya would be the root of Melayu. That's WP:OR and must be removed immediately.
  2. The Sanskrit word Malaya is itself a loanword from Tamil and other Dravidian languages. It refers to south-western hills of India, the western Ghats, where modern Malayalam speakers live, Malayalam is a Tamil word meaning hill country.
  3. The Tamil sources were written by Non-Tamils, any Tamil nationalism allegation must be considered a bumiputera policy driven attack against Tamils in Malaysia, who are per legal definitions second class citizen there as they should be seen as foreigners per this segregation policy. The desperate look for Sanskrit origin of this Tamil word is the result of this Anti-Tamil sentiments. It is also widely ignored by the Malay racists that it was Tamils, who brought Sanskrit and Pali to SE Asia, another desperate attempt to alienate Tamils from SE Asia.-- Dravidian  Hero  16:15, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm.., I can understand your Tamil source arguments and kind of agree with it. That is why I did not erase nor reject the Tamil origin etymon, since it is also equipped with references. My edits here is nothing to do with anti-Tamil sentiment. However, it is commonly accepted here that Indonesia and Malaysia received many Sanskrit derived words, but somehow less from Tamil. Many place names in Indonesia and Malaysia have Sanskrit roots, and it is possible that the name "Malay" derived from Sanskrit, that ultimately derived it from Dravidian languages.Gunkarta (talk) 16:47, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are ignoring it again and again. There is no remotely reliable source, which supports your Sanskrit fantasies. I made it very clear, why this is the case in my previous arguments. The Sanskrit word is a loanword from Tamil like Melayu is a loanword from the same Tamil root, with the addition of the very important word Ur, meaning city, land, again a Tamil word. That's from what they say Melayu derives from, they don't write Malaya for the simple reasons stated above. It is needless to say, that most probably it was Tamil speakers, who incorporated the word Malaya for their Sanskrit texts and Tamils were the ones who brought Sanskrit to SE Asia as well. It was Tamil culture which was brought there, it doesn't matter in which language they passed it to you.-- Dravidian  Hero  17:03, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Okay.., I can understand and quite agree with your argument, I'll remove the sanskrit part. Most of sources I've encountered did mention its possible Tamil source..., cheers...Gunkarta (talk) 09:37, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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