Talk:Michael DeBakey

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The article wrongly stated that Dr debakey had implanted the first succesful artificial heart in 1963. nonesense. this is pure fiction. dr debakey did not do this. no one did it in 1963. the first total artificial heart was not implanted until years later (by dr denton cooley) and was unsuccesful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enhandle (talk • contribs) 17:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dr DeBakey did perform artificial heart valve replacements in the early 60s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.94.37.143 (talk) 14:48, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know who removed it, but as a Lebanese American, wether he is Christian or Muslim, Dr. Michael DeBakey is also an Arab American. I have added the Arab American Category again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veritémaster (talk • contribs) 12:37, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion about Ethnicity[edit]

There was a discussion whether famous Michael E. DeBakey is Arab American, Lebanese American or nothing of both. I've looked on the homepage of the Arab American Institute and found a page about famous Arab Americans where MD Micahel E, DeBakey is shown. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veritémaster (talk • contribs) 14:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

recent health issues[edit]

the above article came in th New York Times. it was pasted on word for word (including the byline lol)

is it of any use in the article?

re-worded, does it have any significance?

or shall we just leave it out?

xCentaur |  talk  18:50, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the story is important. It is recent incident in Dr DeBakey's life. Perhaps it should be summarized to a paragraph or so and then sourced to the NY Times article. The article simply pasted in is a copyright violation. Thanks Postoak 18:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Established The .V.A. Hospital System?[edit]

I heard the report, but I find it incredible. While I would love to add this bit of information to his article, I'd like to make sure it is a fact if someone can find an additional source since no other news service has even mentioned it. Heart surgeon DeBakey receives high honor--Hourick (talk) 04:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deceased[edit]

The Washington Post printed his opbituary earlier this week, so perhaps the line about him practicing medicine to this day should likely be changed.----Ze'ev —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.102.119 (talk) 21:36, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No he isn't dead. The only recent article (23 April 2008) about Michael DeBakey showed President Bush presenting him with the Congressional Gold Medal. See the CNN article at [2]. Dotlu 04:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
He died on July 11, 2008 at 9:38 PM. (http://www.bcm.edu/news/item.cfm?newsID=1168) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.151.106.177 (talk) 07:23, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pioneer of Aortic Dissection Treatment[edit]

The article states that he suffered an aortic dissection, "the very condition that his pioneering procedure was designed to treat." I don't see anything specific about how his work can help with aortic dissections, though I don't doubt that it's true. Is it the Dacron grafts, perhaps? Anybody with some knowledge want to make it clear? 199.246.40.54 (talk) 14:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tried to fix up the wording...he created the procedure to repair aortic aneurysms. Hope that clears it up. BeanMD (talk) 22:37, 12 July 2008 (UTC)BeanMD[reply]

No such thing as death from 'natural causes'[edit]

The two medical institutions involved, Baylor College of Medicine and The Methodist Hospital, have merely declined to state the real causes of death. This seems to be discrimination against older humans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk) 09:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course there is such a thing as natural causes. Death is a natural process. That has nothing to do with the age of the deceased, although at 99 years old, death is generally neither surprising or mysterious. BeanMD (talk) 22:38, 12 July 2008 (UTC)BeanMD[reply]
You completely missed my point. If the man had been younger, the cause of death would have been specified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk) 03:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's not really true. See the obituaries for Steve Mingori (64) and Luke Kruytbosch (46), both of whom died long before the average life expectancy of the United States and were reported as having died natural causes, this month alone. Cheers, CP 00:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent reference...[edit]

from The Houston Chronicle. This contains quite a bit of information that can be referenced so.[3]--Hourick (talk) 21:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dabaghi/Debakey[edit]

The family name was originally the Lebanese “Dabaghi”. His parents had apparently become “DeBakey”s by the time he was born. Yet all the sources say he was born “Dabaghi”. Why would this be so, if he was born to parents whose surname had become “DeBakey”?

This even suggests that his legal name was Dabaghi, and he only used Debakey professionally: The world knows him by the name of Michael DeBakey, but to his very intimate friends and family, he is known as Michel Dabaghi. -- JackofOz (talk) 23:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see where the reference suggests his legal name is Dabaghi, only "to his very intimate friends and family, he is known as Michel Dabaghi". Postoak (talk) 00:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't say it explicitly, but it does suggest it, at least to me. I know that people from non-dominant ethnic backgrounds who've names have been changed in order to fit better into the new linguistic environment often still use their original names within their families. But if he was a DeBakey from birth or soon thereafter, why would his friends still know him as Dabaghi? -- JackofOz (talk) 00:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His Texas medical license says "Debakey". I don't think the state would knowingly allow anyone to use a phony name for a medical license. Chergles (talk) 19:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so we can assume his legal name was DeBakey when he died. The question still remains, was his legal birth name DeBakey or Dabaghi, and if the latter, when did it change? -- JackofOz (talk) 00:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

any references about his height[edit]

He was very short. This may be notable. Any references? He had to stand on a stool to operate because he was so short. I am not joking. Chergles (talk) 19:24, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In 2000, I happened to see him on the street. He was driving a white Toyota RAV-4. Any references to show this? He waved at me. I forgot to get his autograph. Man, is he short. Chergles (talk) 19:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How would his height be notable? Did it impact patient care somehow? Did it cause an issue during an operation? Also, the source given for the malpractice additions doesn't work, please find another reference. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 19:45, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reference is http://reg.tmb.state.tx.us/OnLineVerif/Phys_SearchVerif.asp then type in DeBakey. Chergles (talk) 20:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't appear to work. TMB might be having server issues, however it is improperly referenced in the article because the reader should not have to search for the information. Are there any other sources that establish notability? I don't see that the two dismissed investigations as being notable. Thanks, Postoak (talk) 21:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Place of birth[edit]

I'm unable to find any English sources that clearly state that Dr. DeBakey was born in Lebanon and immigrated to the US. I wanted to add one in addition to the Lebanese sources that were added recently. One source [4] says he "hails from the southern Lebanese town of Marjayoun" but also was "Born to Lebanese immigrants on Sept. 7, 1908, in Lake Charles, La". This is inconsistent to me, what am I not understanding? Thanks, Postoak (talk) 23:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC) : Found one..will add to article Postoak (talk) 00:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The New York Times/Boston Globe states that he was born in Lebanon on 9/7/1908 and did immigrate to the US. [5]. Need some input here since most other sources have birthplace in Lake Charles, LA. Postoak (talk) 00:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

controversy[edit]

Hi - I'll attempt to find a reference that directly connects DeBakey to use of animals. Why did you remove the referenced item from his NYT obit? It seems controversial if a medical pioneer is being accused of taking credit for others' work. If the NYT felt that there was sufficient controversy to include this in the guy's obituary, then it seems reasonable that some controversy exists. Bob98133 (talk) 22:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is not unlikely that he tested his procedures on animals before using them on humans. Is that a problem? JFW | T@lk 14:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BMJ[edit]

The BMJ obituary mentions DeBakey's role in MASH units, which is why he has an army honour. Should be mentioned, really, shouldn't it? doi:10.1136/bmj.a870 JFW | T@lk 14:32, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Publications[edit]

Missing details of Michael E. DeBakey's books:

M.E. DeBakey: The living heart. Putnam Publishing Group, 1983.

M.E. DeBakey: The Living heart diet. New York: Raven Press/Simon and Schuster, 1984.

M.E. DeBakey: New living heart. Adams, 1997.

Fleabox (talk) 18:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

DeBakeys dine with Newton]." Houston Chronicle. Friday February 18, 1994. Houston 1. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:20, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Views on Animal Use in Medical Training and Research[edit]

In 1994, Neal Barnard interviewed Dr. Michael Debakey for his book, "The Power of Your Plate: A Plan for Better Living Eating Well for Better Health - 20 Experts Tell You How!" (ISBN-10: 157067003X) https://www.amazon.com/Power-Your-Plate-Eating-Experts/dp/157067003X/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=

In the interview, Debakey references how he feels teaching surgical and medical procedures using human subjects is far more effective than using animal models for training. The interview in its entirety is found in Chapter 2 of the book.

The interview seems to be available in its entirety at the Google Books link, as of 9/11/17: https://books.google.com/books?id=rBHrBgAAQBAJ&pg=PT37&lpg=PT37&dq=neal+barnard+debakey&source=bl&ots=9IFesCfwsP&sig=FclgPOCs-jiU1A_V5aQtoeb1Mzg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjHuvaNlJ7WAhXL3YMKHaaZDRMQ6AEIMTAB#v=onepage&q=neal%20barnard%20debakey&f=false

Knowing that Debakey had a more nuanced view of the use of animals in clinical training seems to be valuable, and I would hope that someone better versed in how to skillfully add a Wikipedia edit might be kind enough to add that to Debakey's page. Thank you for your consideration and potential support. Please have a wonderful day. Gaom83 (talk) 00:31, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Forced sterilisations[edit]

Medical historian's blog and write-up in Houston Chronicle. JFW | T@lk 12:36, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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