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Revert non encyclopedic language?

Thoughts on reverting back to 67.70.118.99's 2005-01-01t21:10z edit? Compare the flowery language changes made to 67's version. — Jeandré, 2005-01-05t18:34z

I messed with it a little. Needs more work, much more. Jedpressgrove 05:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Rourke and Roach

Does Roach have a pronunciation that is in anyway similar to Rourke or is this just sports linkage trivia?

Peter Isotalo 12:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Mickey Rourke's birthplace

IMDb states that Rourke was born in Liberty City, FL which is not the same as this entry in Wikipedia. Perhaps this should be cleared up since it is the opening sentence http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000620/

Pantheras 1/2/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pantheras (talk • contribs) 15:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

IMDB also says "Date of Birth 16 September 1956, Schenectady, New York, USA" right at the top. It seems they're contradicting their own information. Enigma msg 16:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Year of Birth

It says at the top he was born in 1952, but he's listed as a 1956 birth. Which is correct? -98.221.133.96 (talk) 09:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe the 1952 or 1953 date is correct. His younger brother Joey who passed away in 2004 he and I were close friends and the same age. We were born in 1954, so Mickey being older would have been born in 1952/53. Jeff G (talk) 15:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC) Mickey was born in September 1952, Joey was born June 25, 1954. Joey passed away October 16,2004, after a lifelong battle with Lymphoma.

Hi Jeff. You know the Rourkes family, so I have question for you. Here is an article in which his stepfather says that Mickey make up everything about his life. Im curious whether its true? Reffering to age - its true because he recently told how old is he in some interview. Certainly hes much older than 52 because Andy Garcia is 52 and Mickey was his little league coach... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.151.115.9 (talk) 23:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Is the year of birth on the arrest report from Rourke or the police database?--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:56, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Sources.

Plastic surgery, full name, date of birth, Schenectady, Lee Strasberg school, boxing: Mickey Rourke's desperate truths [1], Salon.com, arts and entertainment 2002-05-15 (as on 2005-01-05). — Jeandré, 2005-01-05t18:34z Mickey was born on Sept 21 1952, I know this because my Father Gene Addis is his stepfather. What Mickey wrote has a lot of truth, we were raised by a very strict and orderly father, and mother. My Father married Ann Rourke when I was 4. My Father had 5 kids, Steve, Scotty, Larry, Mary (me), and the youngest was Gene. Ann had 3 kids, Mickey, Joey, and Patty, they had one child together, Janet. We were a very large family. And I suppose it took a very strong couple to raise 9 kids, but Mickey is right, he was very tough Father. Mickey was always an actor, even as young kids My Father made sure we kept busy..he even set up a boxing ring in our front yard when we were all very young, and you could tell, Mickey was different..he has proven himself to the world that he has Talent..I am so proud of him Mary 68.17.227.139 (talk) 01:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Early Life

Mickey as well as his brothers and sisters did live in Miami prior to his JR. and Sr. High years. His mother married a Miami Beach Vice Detective Gene Addis and moved to Miami Beach prior to Jr. High School. He was a member of the Northwest Boys Club in his pre teen years. The area became a mixed race area in the 1960's and eventually became a African American community. He did not live in Liberty City itself, a loosely defined area not an actual city, but close by. It was a blue collar area even in the early 1960's. Jeff G (talk) 16:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Mickey was born on Sept 21 1952, I know this because my Father Gene Addis is his stepfather. What Mickey wrote has a lot of truth, we were raised by a very strict and orderly father, and mother. My Father married Ann Rourke when I was 4. My Father had 5 kids, Steve, Scotty, Larry, Mary (me), and the youngest was Gene. Ann had 3 kids, Mickey, Joey, and Patty, they had one child together, Janet. We were a very large family. And I suppose it took a very strong couple to raise 9 kids, but Mickey is right, he was very tough Father. Mickey was always an actor, even as young kids My Father made sure we kept busy..he even set up a boxing ring in our front yard when we were all very young, and you could tell, Mickey was different..he has proven himself to the world that he has Talent..I am so proud of him Mary —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.17.227.139 (talk) 01:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

christophe rocancourt

Shouldnt there be a section dedicated to his involvement and friendship to super con-man Chritophe Rocancourt. It is an important area of his life from his so´called "lost years" , as he refers to them himself. And also one of few episodes that gained him worldwide media attention during that period... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rocancourt

Dino —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.190.255.228 (talk) 10:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Tom Cruise Quote

I found a source for the "cunt" quote, but I don't consider it reliable. I'll remove it in a few days if no one can provide a news source.Tstrobaugh (talk) 17:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Get rid of "alongside" and insert the simple "with" instead.

The writer uses "alongside", a clumsy word at best, when discussing Mr. Rourke's roles with other actors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.15.154.241 (talk) 17:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

ROURKE'S MOVIE W/FAYE DUNAWAY

OF ALL THE MEDIA I HAVE READ ABOUT MICKIE-----THERE IS NO MENTION ABOUT THE MOVE HE FIRST DID W/FAYE DUNAWAY(FORGET NAME OF MOVIE)--IT WAS ABOUT 2 ALCHOLICS WHO WIND UP LIVING TOGETHER---ROURKE'S CHARACTER IS ALWAYS HAVING FIST FIGHTS IN A LOCAL BAR---HE WAS TERRIFIC IN THIS MOVIE AND SO WAS FAYE DUNAWAY-----THIS MOVIE SHOULD BE RE-RELEASED NOW CAUSE OF HIS RISE TO HIS NEW ADVENTURE-------------A FANTASTIC MOVIE IT IS(THE ONE I SPEAK OF)---THX----ALSO,MET HIM IN PERSON LONG TIME AGO---HE IS NOT WHAT U C---HE'S A GENTLE SORT OF GUY WHO----IS IN FACT MUSH 2 HIMSELF:(````)Bold text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.203.186 (talk) 09:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

It was called Barfly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elohim (talk • contribs) 15:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

But he has right there are some movies he made in 70s and are not anywhere mentioned. E.g. “Love In The Hamptons” (1976) source: http://www.indiewire.com/article/2009/02/10/tom_folino_on_mickey_rourke_a_quiet_brilliance/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.151.115.9 (talk) 11:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Caps lock aside, the anon is mostly right. Barfly was one of the best films of 1987, but was never recognized as such because most Americans had never heard of Charles Bukowski, and still don't know who he is until this day. Bukowski was a genius in that he could take something incredibly dirty, crass, and just plain ugly, and turn it into something beautiful and even bring a tear to the most hardened heart. This is not easy to do as a writer, and harder still as an actor, but Rourke played the part well and deserves some kind of recognition for his efforts. The fact is, most people go to films to be entertained and forget their problems; They don't want to try and identify with the problems of an alcoholic writer, so this isn't what you would call a chick flick or a romantic comedy. But Palahniuk's Fight Club did pickup where Bukowski left off, a decade later, so Rourke was simply in the right place at the wrong time. Given these things, the current article should discuss more about Barfly, Rourke's experience as an actor in that project, and its effect on his career. Viriditas (talk) 13:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Addendum: And just to prove an eternal point about how the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has always been out of touch, take a look at the page on the 60th Academy Awards for films released in 1987. Nobody remembers any of those films, but people are still talking about Barfly in 2009. This is how you know it is true art, because art is never recognized in its own time, and the Academy (in both senses of the term) are the last group of people on the planet who can tell shit from shinola. Viriditas (talk) 13:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Really, no one's talking about Wall Street? How about "greed is good"? And Moonstruck launched Nic Cage, clearly he's done nothing since. No, wait he has the number 1 film this week. As a side note this has nothing to do with improving the article, so let's put a stop to the forum-like discussions. Darrenhusted (talk) 15:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
On the contrary, I've neatly encapsulated three key areas for improvement above, and look forward to writing more about tinsel town's tumultuous relationship with Rourke and seeing the article expanded to discuss these topics. From what I can tell, you just launched into an off-topic defense of two films and one actor that have nothing to do with this article. As I pointed out above, Barfly was a critical hit but the public and the Academy didn't get it. This is a common theme in art. Since there are a plethora of sources that can be used to expand this subject here, this discussion concerns the need for further research. Viriditas (talk) 00:10, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Dogs: Beau Jack, not "Lowjack"

I did some checking and "Lowjack" is pretty clearly a transcription error of the Barbara Walters interview, but we're probably stuck with it. Substituting Beau Jack in the quote without explanation might be okay - what do you think? The dog's real name definitely was Beau Jack, confirmed by many sources, at least one of which specifically identifies him as the dog in the Walters anecdote. The article now has significant detail on Rourke's dogs, but the length is appropriate because of

  • their life-saving role
  • their own notoriety - Chocolate has a book written about him, Loki used to walk the red carpet and do interviews with Rourke
  • as a partial explanation for Rourke's activism with PETA and the pet shop protest
  • as the highly public central interest of his life
  • as the encyclopedia-worthy substitute for the human offspring he apparently does not have.

—LisaSmall T/C 09:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC) We should add Loki is the daughter of Mickey’s first chihuahua, Beau Jack. source: http://scandalist.thefablife.com/2009-02-18/flashback-lunch-remembering-loki/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miltina (talk • contribs) 02:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Boxing payoffs

I removed the following comment from the boxing section:

However his boxing career and boxing ability is in doubt with the rumored payoffs to the losers of his bouts. .

It looked tacked on, and there's no citation. If someone wants to verify and cite, feel free to put it back. Looks suspicious to me. his opponents were paid to lose, thats a fact and known in the boxing world. I personally know an opponent who was approached for a fixing bout. And yeah that amatuer career cant be verified because it never happened --James A. Stewart (talk) 00:03, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

he's already GOTTEN boxing payoffs you guys are repeating the unverified claims of a golden gloves career, the national organization has no record of him because their records don't go that far back so where did you get these accounts?


He was also trained by boxing coach Freddie Roach, somebody should change this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.13.178 (talk) 19:25, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Photos

I did a lot of lead image swapping, so I just wanted to put up the ones available from 2009. -->David Shankbone 13:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Lead section

The lead section is too short and does not properly summarize the article. I have therefore added {{Intro-tooshort}} back into the article. Please remove it after expanding this section. Viriditas (talk) 10:17, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Filmography

The filmography is still not added or directly linked to this article and is all messed up. And their is no mention of his role as "The Cook" in the movie "Spun" This should be at least added to the section of the article relating to his films after 2001. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.49.250 (talk) 08:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

There is no filmography section in this article. This is odd for such a well known actor. Tavilis 16:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

That was going to be my remark as well, how come there is no time table for his movies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Berniethomas68 08:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions. I have added a filmography section to the article. WatchAndObserve 16:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

hej —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.230.84.144 (talk) 18:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

The "Francesco" link in the Filmography section does not lead to an article of that subject, but to the disambiguation for Francesco, which does not include such film. Therefore it should be marked red or an article on Francesco film should be started. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.240.220.9 (talk) 06:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Now we have the opposite problem. The filmography section has been completely split, with no summary style. Viriditas (talk) 09:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Awful sentence

The following sentence has an incorrect usage of the word "regards." I offer the following suggestion: "Regarding Rourke's first reading of the screenplay...."

In regards to first reading the screenplay, he stated that he originally "didn't care for it."

Regards are something you give to Broadway, or close a letter with. Maglen50 (talk) 15:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Journalist

There was a peom written concerning how Angels become Human, somewhat. New Age Music, at the Acropolis isn't heard very much on Radios. Angel Heart extras on dvd reveal very much in music. It would be nice to have seen that shortly after film in theatres. bias. Goofy. Van Rivers75.200.200.186 (talk) 15:00, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Lucrezia

There is name, "Lucretia" in Megadeth song. Lucrezia was, or is, a real person. Don't know exactly why that bugs me. Appreciate Django music and real Hollywood Voo Doo. There is History of Anglican Priest who would talk to guys at the Chicago Docks. 75.200.89.14 (talk) 03:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Ram Jam

The Wrestler was a little greusome for some, and by the second time watching it, could realize some of the parts were just a movie. Realize that this is not for critics, but the legacy and performance, down to the fun 80's music, must have brought back some great memories, even if you are not a wrestling fan. Have never thought as philosophical of wrestling until Ram Jam. Mr. Sifer75.202.116.215 (talk) 07:56, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Girlfriend.

His current girlfriend is Ana Makarenko, not Elena Kulutskaya. He has been dated Ana for the past year and it has been his first serious relationship in years. There are rumors of an engagement & marriage but, according to Rourke, he has yet to formally ask her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.218.29.253 (talk) 21:31, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't give a F--k. Tell us when he has a serious relationship. WP is not a gossip forum.--71.245.164.83 (talk) 00:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of 'Director' sections.

The 'director' sections of his Filmography and Television roles are unnecessary. These sections should list only his roles and the characters he plays. Kingofthesalads (talk) 02:29, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Tupac a close friend?

It mentions that Tupac is a close friend of his in the sentence regarding his film with him, is this true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kentpaulgta (talk • contribs) 08:02, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Check his profile at IMDB. --Λeternus (talk) 08:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Political and religious views

IRA symbol tattooed on his left forearm? Elsewhere, reference is made to his having a shamrock tattooed on his left forearm. A shamrock is a generic Irish symbol, associated with St. Patrick due to a legend of his having used it in instructing on the Christian dogma of the trinity. Is there any reference to the tattoo being an actual IRA symbol? Liam (talk) 17:28, 1 December 2008 (UTC) wmquinlan

Here is a reference, easily turned up by Google:
Salon: Mickey Rourke's Desperate Truth
http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2002/05/15/rourke/index2.html
"Starring in "Prayer for the Dying" (1987) gave Rourke a lifelong affection for the Irish Republican Army -- he bears a tattoo of the paramilitary organization's emblem."
Actually the article I linked to above is a lengthy portrait from a well-known magazine, and probably an excellent reference source for anyone editing this entry. StrangeAttractor (talk) 04:03, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
A shamrock tattoo in the United States is a sign of belonging the the Aryan Brotherhood, a white jail gang. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.185.255.40 (talk) 16:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
His deceased dog was called Loki.

This is not about Mickey but everyone listed on Wikipedia with "Political views" Again and again I must protest that the political views of anyone on Wikipedia are irrelevant unless they have run, are running, or have been elected to public office. Every person the planet has political views and Wikipedia is not the platform for expressing that. If it is, then my respect for Wikipedia has greatly diminished.--71.245.164.83 (talk) 23:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

You are talking absolute drivel last user. Wikipedia articles on REAL PEOPLE who are IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN such as actors writers etc...

Are here to be BIOGRAPHICAL, no biography of a living person can be complete without input about their political beliefs because it would not be a true reflection of the person This is not for fans to spout about how brilliant they think someone is this is for a true portrait of the person

Numpty 86.167.22.211 (talk) 01:20, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect Timeline in "Professional Boxing Career" section (2.4)

In this section, it first says, "In 1991, Rourke decided that he "had to go back to boxing," then says further down, "In 1990, Rourke retired from boxing and returned to acting." WTF?!? Did he use a time machine or something? Informed Progressive (talk) 06:52, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Rumor Killer

Mickey Rourke is alive and well friends, no need to worry. --Λeternus (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Meta data shows he died again in a snowboarding accident?
Sqrlzrus (talk) 20:18, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Good explanation of hoax at Snopes.--A bit iffy (talk) 04:48, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Death?

Not dead yet. --71.245.164.83 (talk) 00:00, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

His career is on life-support though. 71.59.210.202 (talk) 23:21, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hyperion!

Why article is missing Immortals (2011 film). Isn't he Mickey Rourke? Abhi (talk) 21:04, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Guy was paid to lose the recent boxing match to Rourke

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2854714/Fighter-lost-professional-boxing-match-63-year-old-actor-Mickey-Rourke-homeless-paid-throw-fight.html 89.176.209.84 (talk) 13:40, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

A scandal sheet report that a "source close to the family" of a homeless man said something is not a reliable source for a controversial claim in a BLP. - SummerPhD (talk) 15:46, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Religion?!

Is that true,that Rourke is Jewish?

I just saw an article that tells Rourkes Mother is Jewish?!

Also he had a tatto in hebrew on the middle finger of his right hand.

no its not true. His mother is Irish catholic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.151.115.9 (talk) 11:54, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Show the evidence or this comment should be suspect. Tattoo alone (if true) is insufficient. --71.245.164.83 (talk) 00:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I heard that rumour, too. Which article? Link? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrom1234 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I have known this family my entire life and know that he is not Jewish. Annette Rourke Addis is not Jewish, nor was her mother Hazel Eno. Nor was his father, Philip Andre Rourke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.180.110 (talk) 20:19, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

A second photo

You guys have the stuff on his boxing "career" screwed up....under the early life section, you say his trainer was freddy roach..roach never trained him until he was a pro. In the pro section..you say his trainer was chuck zito..he may have trained him for his last few fights..but at least for the first few, it was roach. I don't really care enough about wikipieda to go finding the sources, and then changing it, but i know I am write...feel free to look into it.\ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.255.46.89 (talk) 07:32, 11 October 2009 (UTC)


I think this page would really benefit from a second photo from back in the day. There's only one on here now plus he looks like a different guy now. Any out there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kansaikiwi (talk • contribs) 22:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I have photos from back in the day but I don't believe they can be posted without strict permission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.180.110 (talk) 20:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


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