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A note[edit]

a microburst is a very localized column of sinking air, producing damaging divergent and straight line winds at the surface that are similar to but distinguishable from tornadoes which generally have convergent damage

Flight numbers listed in article[edit]

I'd find the dates of those flights out and include them in the article. Airlines recycle the use of airline numbers. For all we know, those flight numbers are used daily/weekly. I'd hate to think we're predicting a weekly airline crash on the main page! Thegreatdr 23:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Better image[edit]

I would prefer this one: 172.180.244.116 09:57, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Microburst schematic from NASA. Note the downward motion of the air until it hits ground level, then spreads outward in all directions. The wind regime in a microburst is completely opposite to a tornado.
I agree. I've replaced it. - ∅ (∅), 13:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article assumes reader is in the US[edit]

This article assumes the reader is in the US. The section on dry microbursts mentions the High Plains and the table that contrasts dry and wet microbursts lists the most likely locations as the Midwest/West and Southeast respectively. Given that Wikipedia is an international collaboration with an international readership, locations should be qualified, e.g. "High Plains of the western United States".

If I was to update an article on orographic rainfall to say that the phenomenon was most common in the South-West, this would most likely leave American readers scratching their heads, not realising that I was referring to the South-West of Ireland!

--Davidmccormack 16:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, which means it violates NPOV as it shows the topic from a certain geographical bias. Smacked a POV tag on the page until the article gets a more international representation. The met project has been able to do this properly in the tornado and tropical cyclone articles, why not this one? Thegreatdr (talk) 22:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't call this a neutrality problem as such. Evercat (talk) 01:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looking back over the article, hasn't this been solved? I do see that the locations are qualified in the table as "in the United States." Is there another "neutrality" issue here or can the tag now be removed? Nicodemus79 (talk) 23:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since there haven't been any issues raised other than the the resolved geo-centrism issue I will remove the tag unless someone pipes up. On a different note, the referencing could use some sprucing up though. qwertol (talk) 06:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last portion should become its own article/list[edit]

This article will be very long indeed if all known microbursts are listed. Split it off into its own article or list, and fit wikipedia standards regarding inline references using ref or cite, and this article could be C or B class overnight. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has been done. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The same could be said for the list of aviation accidents. How about moving the list to seperate page?--DBerend (talk) 15:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That is easy enough. I say follow my lead and be bold! I'd check to see if such a list exists first before creating the new article, just in case. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reference section debacle[edit]

I'm in the process of converting our references to inline references, and have noticed discrepancies. We have articles in the reference section that aren't references within the article AND references within the article that aren't listed below. Whoever added the references within the article that don't lie within the reference section below, please provide a more full citation. Thanks for any help you can provide. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

effects of storm motion[edit]

My understanding is that if the entire mass of air of the storm is moving, then the ground level velocity of the microburst air flow will be different in different directions. The surface velocity will be the vector sum of the burst velocity and the storm velocity. Therefore, for instance, winds seen in front of an approaching storm will be higher than winds seen behind a departing storm. If this is true, it might be worth mentioning.

--AJim (talk) 17:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

boats are affected too[edit]

I suppose that this counts as original research, but having been in some, I am sure that searching for and including a section on the effects of microbursts on boats would be fruitful. Boats can be capsized and or dismasted if they are caught in one unprepared. --AJim (talk) 17:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Concordia - capsized by microburst Feb 18 2010[edit]

Appreciate the reference to impact on boats, and the limitations of geography discussed in the article. A student study-at-sea vessel was capsized off the Brazilian coast this last week, initial news attributes the sinking to a Microburst. I have been following the story because my daughter is a recent alumni of the program - an international sailing ship classroom. I'm struggling with the image of the weather conditions that would have led to very experienced captain and crew caught at the mercy of the wind. Apparently it was a matter of minutes from the wind burst that knocked the ship sideways to capsizing and sinking. In a happy ending tribute to the study program, all souls onboard evacuated and rescued. It would be a great addition to this article to expand on the maritime impact and history of microbursts.

Bsjtbluff (talk) 19:11, 22 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Overlap with Downburst?[edit]

It seems like a lot of information is overlapped with downburst. I noticed macroburst redirects to downburst, but microburst gets its own article, in fact, it seems superior to the downburst one. Should they be brought together somehow?

-- Joren (talk) 15:30, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Difference in Damage?[edit]

Is there a difference in damage (one is more damaging than the other) done when comparing dry microbursts to wet ones?204.184.80.26 (talk) 18:19, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New York Macroburst[edit]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't most of the damage from the September 16th event due to the two weak tornadoes that accompanied the storm? I believe the woman who was killed was killed by a tree knocked down by the EF1 tornado. 20:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.79.170.215 (talk)

New images[edit]

An OTRS submitter has contributed 5 new images of a scene in Utah where trees were felled by a microburst, below. Please feel free to use if useful. Dcoetzee 11:46, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Nye for National Science Foundation[edit]

Microbursts by Bill Nye for National Science Foundation

Suggested file to add to this article. — Cirt (talk) 17:03, 6 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wet Microbursts are "warmer than their environment"?[edit]

Shouldn't a wet microburst be colder or at about the same temperature as its environment, since it is a downdraft, and since it is laden with precipitation? If it were warmer, wouldn't the air generally have a tendency to rise instead of fall? ZFT (talk) 04:31, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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weird thermodynamics example[edit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1XRspReAvI&t=98s

please view and delete if necessary

86.152.8.161 (talk) 20:27, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

I've added merge suggestion templates to push this content to Downburst because most of the content is duplication, and the latter article is where Macroburst redirects (even though Microburst might describe them better as of this writing). While "microburst" might be the most well known term, "downburst" is more generic and the phenomena are all part of a single family of weather conditions. Todd Vierling (talk) 22:55, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose – A microburst refers to a smaller-scale single thunderstorm, while "downburst" refers to an entire storm system, such as a Derecho. Also, the term "microburst" is notable enough to retain an entirely separate article. I would suggest revisions and expansion of content in the microburst article to resolve the content duplication issue. 🌀 LightandDark2000 (talk) 19:49, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@LightandDark2000: Actually, downbursts are also produced by single thunderstorms, and derechos are storm systems that produce numerous downbursts and microbursts over a large area. The downbursts article is not about derechos or large. Tornado chaser (talk) storm systems, but mentions them as an unusual case that is much larger than a normal downburst. Tornado chaser (talk) 22:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@LightandDark2000: In fact, one must not confuse the effect of localized downburts (micro and macro) with Derechos and the straight wind damages coming from the gust front ahead of it. Those are two diffrents phenomena. Pierre cb (talk) 13:35, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose

Microbursts, heat bursts, and downbursts are three separate but similar weather events. To say that merely because a microburst is smaller than a downburst, therefore, the two events must be one and the same is like saying because a child is smaller than their parent that they too must be one and the same. While it is true both parent and child are human, they are ultimately two separate individuals each with their own attributes and personalities. It should also be noted that this analogy is backed by Wikipedia itself as there are two separate articles for “Child” and “Adult,” unless of course we now will discuss the merging of those two as well? I digress, however, I will state that I do agree on the basis that information overlap should be removed, I just don't see the merging of two articles to be the best option. ACollegeThinker (talk) 03:46, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support A microburst is a downburst less than 2.5 miles wide, having a separate article makes no sense. Tornado chaser (talk) 22:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It would still be better to expand on the existing article and write out the content duplication, rather than go for an outright merge. 🌀 LightandDark2000 (talk) 22:12, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@LightandDark2000: I would normally support that, but I don't see how that can be done when the articles are about the same thing. Tornado chaser (talk) 22:17, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly oppose Those are different weather events. Felicia777 (talk) 15:22, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly support Downburst is the general term for any wind caused by air coming down from thunderstorms while "Macroburst" and "Microburst" are just downbursts defined by their scale as mentioned above by Tornado Chaser. This is exactly the same phenomena and should be merged into a single article. Pierre cb (talk) 13:29, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – with the only difference being a 2.5 mi (4.0 km) threshold difference in size, microbursts and macrobursts are generally the same phenomenon and produced by the same physical processes and characteristics. They can both be succinctly described within the same downburst article, given that the only difference between them is a size threshold. TheAustinMan(Talk ⬩ Edits) 15:24, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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