Talk:Mill Creek (Lower Merion, Pennsylvania)

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Redundant with Mill Creek (Schuylkill River)?[edit]

Are we sure this article is not redundant with a previous article named Mill Creek (Schuylkill River)? Gjs238 (talk) 14:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am absolutely sure the two creeks are different. I live in Philadelphia only a few blocks from where Mill Creek (Schuylkill River) flows. This creek is hard to find on maps because it is no longer on the surface. Adam Levine, who is cited in that article, has done research for the city about that creek, gives talks about it and writes about it. You can find signs of the creek if you know where to look, and you can sometimes hear it. One of the puzzles that learning about it resolved for me was how come the corner of 43rd and Spruce was not a pond, even though the roads are uphill from this junction in all 4 directions (the creek is below it). The most obvious artifact is the old mill pond in Clark Park.

The mill creek of this article is easy to find on maps, I did cite one, and from the description it should be clear that it does not flow through Philadelphia. I am familiar with it because I frequently ride a bicycle through the watershed of this creek (as many other locals do). I was confused by the identical names, too, when I first encountered them. I created this article because the Dove Lake article had been linked to the wrong creek and I thought it should be corrected. If you look at a map you will also be able to find Dove Lake next to the creek; Dove Lake Road runs by it.

I hope you will rest assured that they are different and that you and others will continue to improve both articles. --AJim (talk) 21:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both creeks are clearly visible on google maps. [1][2] and it is quite clear they are not the same thing. I visited the latter and took pictures of it -- one of which is the picture now in this article. Raul654 (talk) 22:30, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for adding the picture. Your second map link highlights Dove Lake, and the the north branch of Mill Creek of this article is clearly visible, but unlabeled, running by it. The creek is clearly labeled in local map books like the one I referenced. Unfortunately though, your first map link is to a place in central Pennsylvania. The University City Mill Creek, the "other" Mill Creek under discussion, really is underground. I do not think it shows on Google maps. It gave its name to a neighborhood in Philadelphia it flows through. Parts of the covering do collapse from time to time, revealing it. A couple of years ago I saw a major rebuilding of Locust street near 43rd and Locust, for instance. One consequence is that the city no longer allows buildings to be erected above it. In one old photo that Adam Levine showed, the creek tunnel appeared as wide as a whole street and as deep as it was wide. --AJim (talk) 07:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid further confusion, I've renamed the one in West Philadelphia Mill Creek (Philadelphia). Note that there are two more Mill Creeks which enter the Schuylkill farther upstream, one rather large. --Ken Gallager (talk) 18:00, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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