Talk:Millersburg, Ohio

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Racial History[edit]

First the section would probably need a new title, since racial history makes no sense with one event. Secondly, the event is sourced, but isn't really notable. There has been other murders in Millersburg, what makes this one special? 70.209.137.248 (talk) 04:02, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps "there has been other murders," but this one was special to one fellow, at least. “Racial History” is fine, but we could instead go for “Lynching”. MarkBernstein (talk) 19:04, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Every murder is special to the person who got murdered. That doesn't all by itself mean every murder needs to be on the Wikipedia page of the town it happened in. Agreed that this is not notable. 2601:600:9B80:5C91:AD5D:7860:8C07:7529 (talk) 07:03, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Covered by reliable sources. Important example of racial terrorism in the North, and influence of KKK in Ohio. One sentence is hardly WP:UNDUE. The notability of this obscure town itself might be questioned, of course. MarkBernstein (talk) 11:09, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Those other murders were covered by reliable sources, that doesn't make them notable. And so far I see no sources tying the murder to the kkk or terrorism, so do you have anything to show notability besides synth? You claim it's historically significant but have provided nothing to substantiate that claim. 2600:1017:B118:EC9F:583B:E239:1626:906 (talk) 17:31, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
See, for example, this entry on KKK and Millersburg from Sundown Towns: A Hidden Dimension of American Racism. http://sundown.tougaloo.edu/sundowntownsshow.php?id=124. America’s Black Holocaust Museum: http://abhmuseum.org/category/lynching-victims-memorial/ohio/. The racial aspect is clear in the account’s emphasis that the victim was the only black man in the county; the murder was sufficiently notable that it was reported all over the country. MarkBernstein (talk) 17:48, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
None of that estabilshes notability. There are webpages dedicated to unsolved crimes in many cities and towns, but unless they are notable they don't get added to their pages. I don't see Noah Anderson or Henry Corbin noted in the New Richmond or Oxford entires. Want to know why? Cause they aren't notable.
Wikipedia is also not news. Plenty of stuff in the news isn't put on Wikipedia. So again, can you establish notability? You also can't tie it to the kkk or terrorism as none of that is in reliable sources presented so far(your stuff isn't reliable at all). 2600:1017:B118:EC9F:583B:E239:1626:906 (talk) 17:59, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If you'd like to question notability of this lengthy page on a small Ohio town that is, apparently, chiefly known for its historic ties to various forms of the KKK, Article For Deletion is thataway ==> . Certainly, the lynching is as important as the number of drug stores in 1873. MarkBernstein (talk) 20:32, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
WP:GEOLAND "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low." Power~enwiki (talk) 20:37, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CANVASS is also policy. Clearly, a number of the very few historic events in this small town involve its troubled racial history, including its status as a “sundown town” culminating in the 1892 lynching, one of three that occurred that year in Ohio. This history is clearly of more interest to readers than trivia about 19th century druggists and street directories, or (for that matter) the silly climate chart. MarkBernstein (talk) 22:47, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You have no reliable sourcing to say this town has issues with race. It's off topic to keep bringing it up. Do you have anything to establish that murder is notable? 2600:1017:B118:EC9F:18E9:6F22:9CC3:639D (talk) 01:11, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The 1892 lynching is an interesting bit of trivia. Certainly that has little bearing on whether the town currently has issues with race. The history section is unbalanced, as it stops before the 20th century. wbm1058 (talk) 01:45, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I researched how that factoid was added to the article, and found this 12 November 2008 edit by Losthistory22, who made similar edits to 10 other articles, including Springfield and Urbana, Ohio. wbm1058 (talk) 02:20, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, I think it's not really needed in the article, also the part about how many attorneys and printing offices seems pointless. Im on the fence with Urbana given how fleshed out the event was, but Springfield is definitely notable since it seems there is an actual history there of burning parts of the town down.
But I do agree about adding info on the Amish given the relevance. 2600:1017:B118:EC9F:18E9:6F22:9CC3:639D (talk) 02:39, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article certainly has an odd mix of coverage of various topics. This is the county seat of Holmes County, Ohio, which is home to the largest Amish community in the world. Yet there is no mention of Amish in the very detailed demographics section, nor anywhere else in the article. I'm also struck by the fact Trump took 78.5% of the county vote, while just 16.1% went for Clinton. wbm1058 (talk) 01:05, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

United States presidential election in Ohio, 2016#By county – only three of Ohio's 88 counties voted at a higher percentage for Trump, and only two counties had a lower percentage vote for Clinton. I don't know what percentage of the Amish vote; it may not be many. wbm1058 (talk) 01:45, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Bernstein Vandalism[edit]

To the best of my knowledge, user:MarkBernstein is not supposed to be editing this page. As I understand it he is banned from articles like this. 2602:301:772D:62D0:ED56:A0E4:CCA5:22C3 (talk) 02:14, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
is that so? MarkBernstein (talk) 02:59, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to research any possible user editing restrictions over the recent editing of the page. I'm content with the status quo, i.e. consolidating the history to a single section. If any town in America lynched their only Black resident in 2017 you know it would be all over the national news, just as, for example, a black police officer shooting a white woman who had called the police to report a crime. We would consider it notable. Lynchings, fortunately, seem to have been sufficiently uncommon in nineteenth century Ohio to make the few that did happen notable. I encourage anyone who wants to adjust the balance of the article to add information about 20th century history. The Amish play a significant part in the town's economy, I believe they operate restaurants and gift, furniture and craft shops. – wbm1058 (talk) 03:27, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Again user:MarkBernstein, enough nonsense. This is not about you. This is about appropriate editing, editing against restrictions, and WP CIVILity. WBM made clear that he/she is content with the status quo. That's good enough for me. As for your continued (and frankly baffling) policy violations, I will be taking it to ANI per earlier suggestions from other editors. Enough of this ridiculous waste of time. To the other editors here, I apologize for bringing needless drama to this page. 76.91.116.212 (talk) 00:04, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
76.91: You appear to be repeating yourself; you made a similar statement on a user's talk page a few hours ago. In addition to the policies listed above, you might want to review WP:CANVASS and WP:FORUMSHOPPING. I fear you have been misinformed, both about me and about Wikipedia policy. You may, of course, raise this or any other issue you like at WP:ANI. MarkBernstein (talk) 00:15, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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