Talk:Minneapolis Police Department

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References[edit]

I've included a litany of references as much as I can however of course to save our brains they are not repeatedly placed all the time. If in doubt over an unREFfed sentence, refer to the next reference you can find, as multiple bits of information are contained in each page. There may be some controversial sources, particular blogs such as Powerline and Minneapolis Mirror, but I feel they have considerable value in characterizing the "social saga" that is the history section. As there never is an official release of any negative incidents regarding MPD, we must tred carefully to obtain multiple views to accurately understand the circumstances. I've primary sourced a lot of links so refer back to them. .:DavuMaya:. 08:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great job, Davumaya. It is eligible for DYK. Will you nominate it? —SusanLesch (talk) 17:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sure but what should I mention? :) The horses? The multiple police depts? .:DavuMaya:. 05:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Timing is running out so I've suggested "that the Minneapolis Police Department is the largest of five law enforcement agencies that operate in Minneapolis?". Timing is running out but feel free to write a new hook at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on June 4. ~ Eóin (talk) 05:35, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pay[edit]

I recently read that MPD have numerous officers that abused that overtime system, with over a dozen being significantly overpaid. One example is here http://www.minnesotamonthly.com/media/Minnesota-Monthly/January-2008/Who-Makes-What/

A patrol sergeant makes twice what the mayor makes, even more than the governor and the senator from that district! Fuzbaby (talk) 05:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How is working a lot of hours of overtime 'abuse'? There doesn't seem to be much question that these officers actually were on duty those hours. And the pay rate per hour is clearly set in the contract. Note that they are hourly workers, so they get overtime pay when they work extra hours -- the Mayor and most of the others listed are on salary, so they get the same pay no matter how many (or how few) hours they work.
I'm more concerned about the 'thumpers' on the force, and that they are still working any hours at all. T-bonham (talk) 01:06, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well perhaps a listing of salaries is beneficial, I will dig the data up. I don't think commenting on the salaries is very useful (nor allowed) unless a report was done by a news agency. A more ideal comparison would be proportional salary to population size of other cities. Salaries between different professions differ for many reasons, some historical, so its not very fair to judge on face value. davumaya 02:03, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Errata[edit]

The link to Timothy Dolan goes to the wrong Timothy Dolan.

Minneapolis School Police[edit]

I am interested in any information about the Minneapolis School Police2001:48F8:1012:704:21B:63FF:FE04:848F (talk) 19:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Australian woman Justine Damond shot dead by police in Minneapolis[edit]

I suggest that there needs to be a new entry in the 'Misconduct and Internal affairs' section under the subheading of 'Australian woman Justine Damond' or some such. Here's a link to a current article on the subject: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-17/australian-woman-shot-dead-by-police-in-minneapolis/8714330 203.185.205.174 (talk) 07:27, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Death of George Floyd[edit]

In light of the death of George Floyd and the incidence of vandalism on this page, I suggest this page be protected on a temporary basis.NotHideki (talk) 03:45, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The fire of the police department[edit]

The police department recently burt down at around 9:53 AM · May 28, 2020. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HabibiMakka (talk • contribs) 13:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]


History + Scandals[edit]

The history section is looking a little better now. Ought we to blend it in with the scandal section? --''Paul, in Saudi'' (talk) 12:31, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes tho I suggest that something could be added about: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/10/18/minneapolis-police-officer-reinstated-after-firing The challenges of desiplining MPD officers has been an issue. I am not familiar enough with editing Wikipedia to do it myself. Fholson (talk) 14:14, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suppressed Information[edit]

Why has this article been wiped of Duy Ngo and Fong Lee? These were very prominent incidents in the departments history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnuser612 (talk • contribs) 14:07, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2020[edit]

They killed George Floyd 184.188.64.85 (talk) 05:11, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done JTP (talk • contribs) 05:23, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2020[edit]

Please include some facts about the death of George Floyd, I think this could be a useful addition to the article as it could help show people correct facts and not fake news :) 2A00:23C4:8244:6900:9C82:758C:D054:CEE0 (talk) 16:10, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Further details would also be WP:UNDUE here. There is already an article about this even and it's linked on the main page... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Stuff we might delete[edit]

The Lisa Bender quote probably could go. It smacks of recentism. I wonder if we need so much about their firearms. There is nothing very unique about this department's armory. ''Paul, in Saudi'' (talk) 09:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020[edit]

There needs to be a trustworthy source for "In June 2020, Minneapolis City Council President Lisa Bender announced that the city should dismantle its police department and replace it with a "transformative new model of public safety."[9]"

The tweet referenced is from an OANN contributor. OANN is in no way a trustworthy source—it is described on Wikipedia itself as "The channel has been noted for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories." 174.62.235.51 (talk) 16:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actally Twitter is not supposed to be refernced[1] I added a citation, thanks for the catch!
Another question is wether it belongs in the opening of the article.  Darth Flappy «Talk» 17:59, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ [1] (It) should be avoided unless the author is a subject-matter expert or the tweet is used for an uncontroversial self-description.

'Minneapolis city council pledges to dismantle police department in wake of George Floyd's killing – live' See https://web.archive.org/web/20200607235131/https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jun/07/george-floyd-protests-anti-racism-demonstrations-donald-trump-black-lives-matter-live-updates 81.131.132.129 (talk) 00:17, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Police Dept. to be dismantled?[edit]

Update: Minneapolis (CNN)Nine members of the Minneapolis City Council on Sunday announced they intend to defund and dismantle the city's police department following the police killing of George Floyd. We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department and replace it with a transformative new model of public safety." https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/us/george-floyd-protests-sunday/index.html Peter K Burian (talk) 00:44, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article, "Bender told CNN she was looking to shift police funding toward community-based strategies and that the city council would discuss how to replace the current police department." So, there is going to be police, but it will be doing Community policing, and it will be a part of something like Human/Social services I guess. My very best wishes (talk) 02:22, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, dismantled might be the wrong word. Not sure what word to use instead. City councillors said Sunday they intend to disband the local police department, though there is no consensus yet on what to replace it with. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/police-reform-ideas-united-states-george-floyd-1.5601990 .................. at a community rally on Sunday, a veto-proof majority of council members declared their intent to “dismantle” and “abolish” ... Our commitment is to end policing as we know it and to recreate systems of public safety that actually keep us safe. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/minneapolis-city-council-defund-police-george-floyd Peter K Burian (talk) 12:13, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just found this article: Reform is the correct word. Police reform experiment: Residents of Camden, located near Philadelphia, say it's been successful. Murders are down by two-thirds since the year before the police reform, and overall violent crime is down nearly half. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/police-reform-ideas-united-states-george-floyd-1.5601990 Peter K Burian (talk) 12:15, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK. So, The entire Camden force was dismantled a few years ago. A new, larger force was rebuilt in conjunction with the surrounding county after a few major adjustments. This is NOT "defunding". The "new lager force" probably costs more. This is a reform exactly in the style of Mikheil Saakashvili to get rid of police corruption. The "defunding" is a misleading slogan, and it is going to backfire [2]. "Radical reform" is another matter. My very best wishes (talk) 15:52, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2020[edit]

“Disbanded 2020”needs adding below the founding year 95.144.102.66 (talk) 02:40, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Not yet. As far as I understand; the department has not been disbanded yet, and what the reliable source in the previous thread says is that what is going to happen is not "disbandment" anyway... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:01, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed; it will be "reform" and is only in the early stages of discussion. See the thread above ... "end policing as we know it and to recreate systems of public safety that actually keep us safe". In any event, this article should certainly include coverage of the plan. Peter K Burian (talk) 12:18, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2020[edit]

95.144.102.66 (talk) 17:31, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Note: User removed their request Breawycker (talk to me!) 17:47, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Minneapolis Police reportedly going to be dismantled[edit]

As of June 7, 2020, or as some of you might see here in the talk page; the Minneapolis Police Department would be reportedly dismantled by the Council members[1].

LizardKing007 (talk) 21:06, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/us/minneapolis-police-abolish.html

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2020[edit]

Remove the bullshit opinions about being arrested once leading to a life of crime. It's a fallacy and not provable. 73.94.205.0 (talk) 00:52, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: First, I don't see what exactly you want to be change; use the format "please change X to Y"; and two you calling it a "bullshit opinion" is not a reason to censor something if it is reported in reliable sources.. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:07, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The amendment was terminated for the November 2020 ballot[edit]

Please accept what even non-Minnesota based sourced acknowledged what Minneapolis City Charter Commission approved instead of blocking it[3][4].2601:447:4080:10:912C:D93C:EE17:4A09 (talk) 16:01, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]


I think there should be more information about the citizens of Minneapolis voting not to disband the police department after the November 2021 vote [5] My username is steamboat 2020 but I'm having an issue logging in — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.41.20 (talk) 01:19, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Use of chokeholds and neck restraints[edit]

I wanted to add some context on the use of chokeholds and neck restraints to the Killing of George Floyd article, but someone argued it fits better here. Anyone has ideas as to where it would be best to place this content or parts thereof ? I used two sources : a MinnPost article ("How common is it for Minnesota police departments to authorize chokeholds, ‘neck restraints’?") and an NBC News article ("Minneapolis police rendered 44 people unconscious with neck restraints in five years") Thanks in advance, Fa suisse (talk) 01:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UNDUE discussion of George Floyd in lead section[edit]

Currently, just about half of the lead section is devoted to the killing of George Floyd and its aftermath. While the events of the past year definitely seem to be the most notable in the agency's history and warrant a paragraph or so, per WP:Recentism it's unacceptable to have more than half the lead section of an agency founded in 1867 be devoted to just one year. I suggest that the recent material be condensed and a hidden comment added to dissuade excessive detail; we cover the Floyd killing and its aftermath in plenty of detail elsewhere on Wikipedia. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 22:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2022[edit]

for chief of police, change “Amelia Huffman” to “Brian O’Hara” 2601:445:780:EA70:A944:552C:C5D8:936C (talk) 14:46, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, with verification from the reference for the chief name PlanetJuice (talk • contribs) 16:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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