Talk:Mirai Nagasu

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Nationality[edit]

Nagasu's parents own a sushi restaurant [1] and they converse in Japanese.

You can see it interview of TV news show of ABC.[2] Mirai's father Kiyoto says 「じゃあ、上手にできた？」(Jaa, jouzu ni dekita? - Did you done so well?),then Mirai replys 「うん」(Un - Yes!) in this program.

Kiyoto and Ikuko are Japanese, so that Mirai Nagasu's nationality is Japan/States beacause of Jus sanguinis until she select one of them when she grow up. See also Japanese nationality law.

I can not find any English source that she has Japanese nationality. But there is a some report of that in Japanese news paper. So you can see it through machine translation.[3] This is not quite precise(as my English :-P), but maybe you can get what it mean s.

Once again, neither her nationality nor her ethnicity matter when it comes to the country she represents. Nagasu has never skated for Japan, therefore putting Japan in her infobox is erroneous information. I have no problem calling her Japanese-American, but I don't want to put in her article that she has dual citizenship unless it can be sourced in English. Kolindigo 19:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I neither don't want to delete her article that she has dual nationality. It decided by the law, not your opinion or imagination at all.
I gave you source, by sports nippon newspaper which is one of the most a famous newspaper like Sports Business Daily or SI in U.S. which affiliate with Mainichi Shinbun. - Strastra 19:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What does the fact that she is an Asian American have to do with her being passed over for Wagner? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.144.156.141 (talk) 01:49, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

You can translate these Japanese sources into English with Machine Translation or you may ask Japanese speaker wikipedians to certify.Strastra 21:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Skating for Japan/Japanese citizenship[edit]

Mirai Nagasu is a 17 year old (minor) skating now for the US team. There is no reliable source I can find that says she ever considered skating for Japan t) Its unfair to her to put that in an article here (does she have to defend herself against speculation from the media or individuals that she wants to skate for Japan?) and against BLP policy as well. I am going to look for sources about her skating in Japan, but, any speculation based on her status as a dual citizen should be avoided unless directly addressed by the individual, published in a reliable source. (a Japan Times writer's idle speculation doesn't count). XinJeisan (talk) 05:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Mirai Nagasu has dual citizenship until age 22, as reported by various sources, including About.com, and the official NBC Olympics bio page.

pogo (talk) 17:40, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Name in Kanji[edit]

It seems perfectly appropriate to use the Japanese language tempate for her name. She's a dual citizen, so, she is Japanese (its perfectly possible and legitimate to be Japanese and American at the same time -- the problem is really with Japanese citizenship laws, which does not allow dual citizenship and forces people born as dual citizens to choose when they become 22 to chose one or the other, which leads to the speculation which I mentioned above in my comments on dual citizenship -- and if she still has dual citizenship, there is the remote chance she would choose Japanese citizenship over American citizenship -- there is no source that says one way or the other, all reliable, non speculative sources just say she is a dual citizen.) and her name represented in Kanji. The name on her Japanese passport doesn't have to match her English name to be her name.

Also, on her page on Japanese wikipedia they use that kanji for her name. (Contrast, for example, with Kristi Yamaguchi). A search for 長洲未来 on google.co.jp brings up over 200,000 hits, including several pictures of her from google images. ナガス・ミライ on the other hand only has 26,000, the first being the wikipedia article which does not even have ナガス・ミライ in it, and the next few from 2channel, a pretty unreliable message board in Japan. (A POV and or original research view would be use of her name in katakana is a denial of her Japanese background in Japan)

It makes a lot more sense to use the simple template wikipedia provides for people whose names can be written in Japanese for people who want to find information about her in Japanese, rather than a long, awkward, seemingly (to me) inaccurate, and, most importantly unsourced explanation about how and why her name is represented in Kanji and Katakana in Japan.

Also, is their a reason why her middle name needs to be referenced. Obviously I am all for referencing to the max any BLP, especially one for a minor, but, in this case seems strange and excessive for only her middle name, and, unless there is some reason for it to be controversial, I don't understand the need. If it needs a reference, just at the end is sufficient, isn't it? Thanks. XinJeisan (talk) 03:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not disputing that she holds Japanese citizenship, but I don't think the nihongo template is appropriate for Nagasu. It's for people who's names are in Japanese and are then translated to English. Nagasu was born in the United States and "Mirai Nagasu" is, for lack of me thinking of a better term of it, her name, not a Japanese name that is being rendered into English and dealing with translation issues. Neither does it deserve the romaji "Nagasu Mirai" after it. She's American and she uses the American order. This is not a "Japanese name", imho, it is an English name. Additionally, her name in Japanese isn't different, as opposed to Caroline Zhang's Chinese name. There is also the issue in that Nagasu's name rendered in Japanese doesn't include her middle name, so I think that needs to be mentioned when the article lists what her name is in Japanese, otherwise people might think it does.
In my reversion, I just copy/pasted; I didn't realize the previous representation was wrong.
It makes a lot more sense to use the simple template wikipedia provides for people whose names can be written in Japanese for people who want to find information about her in Japanese,
I disagree completely. If people want to find information on her in Japanese, they can search in Japanese or use the interwiki link to her ja.wiki article if they want to go through en.wiki, and I would hope that a search using "長洲未来" would not bring up her en.wiki article (I just googled it and her official site is the second option, beneath ja.wiki). We don't list Kristi Yamaguchi's name represented in Japanese in her lead; if people want to know how to write her name in Japanese, they can go to ja.wiki. It's not up to en.wiki to provide a list of how every name can be written in various languages.
AFAIK, the middle name was referenced because it wasn't listed anywhere, such as her USFSA bio, her ISU bio, or her official site, and so whoever added it also added a reference. Kolindigo (talk) 04:28, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Other notable first generation Japanese Americans: George Takei (no Japanese in lead or text), Daniel Inouye (uses lang-ja, which, imho, is a superior template because it states which language it is, while nihongo puts that a question mark for some reason), Francis Fukuyama (no Japanese in lead or text), Patsy Mink (also lang-ja), Spark Matsunaga (also lang-ja), Norman Mineta (no Japanese in lead or text), Pat Morita (no Japanese in lead or text), etc. Kolindigo (talk) 05:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If she has dual citizenship, her legal name in Japan is rendered in kanji (and not katakana) on her parents koseki somewhere in Japan, so it isn't a random choice. But, beyond the google search method, there is no source, I guess. Also, the dual citizenship law is fairly new, so probably none of those people you listed above had to deal with this issue. (Its interesting to note that the kanji is put in on Korea wikipedia and Russian Wikipeida, but not the others) But, the examples show there is no standard on wikipedia for this situation. And, I think that description that was there before was, well, I said above what I think of it. I would suggest taking out the kanji all together, but I'm sure someone will put it back in with some strange explanation again if a consensus isn't reached now.
If you don't like the nihongo template. Maybe we can write "Her first name Mirai (未来) means future in Japanese[8]. Nagasu is written as 長洲 in kanji." in the first paragraph of the personal life section. Or, in the last sentence in the last paragraph of the personal life section. "Her name is usually written using the following kanji in the Japanese language press: 長洲未来." I think the [[Goo (search engine)|Goo sports site that should be a sufficient source for either of those. As long as the previous explanation is kept out, I'm happy. XinJeisan (talk) 07:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I like both those ideas. :) Kolindigo (talk) 02:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. :) XinJeisan (talk) 07:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dual citizenship?[edit]

"... must choose one before her 22nd birthday because Japan does not allow dual citizenship after that date." - I assume she has chosen the US? -- deerstop (*•̀ᴗ•́*). 23:08, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Reference named "ISU-WorldStanding":

  • From Yulia Lipnitskaya: "ISU World Standings for Single & Pair Skating and Ice Dance: Ladies". ISU Results. International Skating Union. 7 April 2014. Retrieved 14 April 2014.
  • From Alaine Chartrand: "ISU World Standings for Single & Pair Skating and Ice Dance: Ladies". International Skating Union. June 8, 2017.
  • From Evgenia Medvedeva: "ISU World Standings for Single & Pair Skating and Ice Dance: Ladies". International Skating Union. 8 June 2017.
  • From Satoko Miyahara: "ISU World Standings for Single & Pair Skating and Ice Dance". ISU Results. International Skating Union. 18 December 2016. Retrieved 18 December 2016.
  • From Ashley Wagner: "ISU World Standings for Single & Pair Skating and Ice Dance - Ladies". International Skating Union.

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