Talk:Mishmi people

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Mishmi means "not civilized", which is offensive. They call themselves Dengpa. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 07:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They are offensive when necessary, like a dispute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.68.244.96 (talk) 19:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shall this article be fused with Mising ? --Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 22:58, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I live in a mishmi dominated area and the mishmis proudly declare themselves as such. As far as I know, there is no offense in this word. At least not in their language or any other Indian language. Actually dengpa means "not civilized" and is offensive. Secondly, Mising is a completely different tribe and should not be confused with Mishmi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.51.230 (talk) 07:08, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt whether you're a Dengpa: the name "Deng" is origined in Deng language "Dai Bamei" a.k.a. "Dai Mei" or simply "Dai". Bamei or Mei means people in Deng language(s). In Taraon language, "Taraon, Kaman and Idu" are called "Taraon, Jiao and Du" while in Kaman language, they say "Jimengzong, Kaman and Mindao". Those name are Deng origined and I didn't see any offense in these words. The name Deng is sometimes confused to Tibetan word Deng, which means poor, but that's not the origin, only occasionally same voice. Anyway it's not related to "not civilized". However, I see a "not civilized" meaning of Mishmi in a researching book. I suspect if 117.198.51.230 is a Deng people. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 08:25, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I never said I was a Dengpa. I am a Mishmi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.53.226 (talk) 11:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, then I suspect if you're a Mishmi. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 08:23, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am sure you will have this same suspicion about anyone who proudly declares himself as a Mishmi. I dont see much value or meaning in your suspicion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.54.87 (talk) 08:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How do you know? I just suspect you. I didn't see any Daibamei/Deng/Mishmi element on you. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 08:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I know because you have aired this suspicion on 100% of the people who have declared themselves as Mishmi here till now. Secondly, I too can have this same suspicion or some other suspicion on you. I actually suspect whether you are a Mishmi because if you were one, you would have known the popular name of your tribe and you would not have made fantastic/unrealistic claims. The reality is that in Mishmi areas, hardly anyone even knows the word "Deng", etc. Almost all of the Mishmi tribe lives in India and call themselves Mishmi. This is the reality. Moreover, your claim that Mishmi means uncivilized is still unsubstantiated and is totally out of character for a Mishmi. I still say that Mishmi does not have any derogatory/offensive meaning in any Indian language. Till now you have only shown a derogatory meaning for "Deng" in Tibetan language, but nothing on "Mishmi". The claim that Mishmi means uncivilized is rubbish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.50.209 (talk) 02:44, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're wrong because till now I do only "meet" one who have declared him/herselves as "Mishmi", and this amount, though 1/1=100%, is too small in absolute number. Therefore the claim "because you have aired this suspicion on 100% of the people who have declared themselves as Mishmi here" is not convincing.
  • I did never say I'm a Daibamei/Deng/Mishmi. I'm only someone who care Lhoba and Daibamei culture, and this is enough, I needn't to prove "Daibamei is their self-appellation" by simply claim "I know that because I'm a Daibamei". I have my sources, and "Bahar Mishmi" means wild-man on the mountain in Assamese, and consequently Mishmi is an offensive name.
  • Whether Daibameis in "Mishmi areas" know the name "Deng" is doesn't matter. What matters is - they have their own identification and appellation, which was definitely not "Mishmi".
  • I didn't show any derogatory meaning for "Deng" in Tibetan language, and the name "Deng" is not origined from Tibetan language. The name "Deng" comes from Deng languages.
--虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 07:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is no such word as "bahar mishmi" in assamese. If you want to prove that there is a word as you say, get a WP:RS to prove it. Moreover, even if there were such a word, it proves nothing because the issue is about "mishmi", and not about "bahar mishmi". For example, "bloody american" is derogatory, but "american" is not. So, your logic that "mishmi" is derogatory because "bahar mishmi" is derogatory does not click at all. Your logic is totally flawed.117.198.60.17 (talk) 07:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

I think that this arcticle should be merged with Lhoba. They are both talking about the same topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KRajaratnam1 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose: By Chinese official ideology I'd like to merge this into Lhoba, which is one of the officially recognized nationalities, and forms the Zhonghua Minzu, but this is definitely unfair because:
  1. Idu is not the only tribe of Daibamei/Deng/Mishmi, and separate Idu from the other 4 tribes of Daibamei is unfair.
  2. Lhobas, are, majorily and functionally, Adis. There're more then twentie Adi tribes (that is, ALL) in the concept Lhoba but only one Daibamei tribe.
--虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 03:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Let us treat this issue as resolved with the merger proposal being rejected.117.198.48.158 (talk) 05:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

10th Panchen Lama[edit]

I really don't think the 10th Panchen Lama has ANY effect whatsoever over China's actions. Therefore, I have removed the highly dubious sentence...--Yalens (talk) 22:12, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The fact does not vary from your personal opinion, so instead of labeling “I really don't think”, please look for a citiation. Currently, that 10th Panchen Lama has effects on them is a well-sourced fact. ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 18:59, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A dead Tibetan "feudalist" seriously affecting mighty China's governments actions? I think you'd need to source that, with something not from the Chinese government itself. Granted, the 10th Panchen apparently sought to make the best of Chinese rule for a period by working with them, before that fell through, so he did work with the Chinese gov't. That is, however, oceans away from dictating policy to it. That China does not recognize the Mishmi as separate is because CHINA doesn't want to, not because he, who fell out of grace with Beijing and then died, doesn't want them to. --Yalens (talk) 18:07, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification about 10th Panchen Lama[edit]

  • Somebody added that “however, that the Chinese government would act based solely on the wishes of the 10th Panchen Lama, who is a political rival of the Chinese government and has various times been denounced as subversive and separatist, is highly doubtful” to the citation. Such claim is ad asbitsium and is too general to have any substance. For example, please clarify when has 10th Panchen lama been denounced as separatist instead of just claim “has various times been denounced as subversive and separatist”; and please clarify how can Panchen lama be “a political rival of the Chinese government”. ––虞海 (Yú Hǎi) ✍ 19:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Why Two Articles About Same Thing?[edit]

Strongly advise this article be merged with the Deng people article (which, although short, needs some pretty heavy editing). This seems QED to me. Thoughts/feelings? Sugarbat (talk) 01:02, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with Deng people[edit]

Content is highly duplicated and don't see a need to have two articles. GZWDer (talk) 20:08, 18 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  checkY Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 06:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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