Talk:Miskito people

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Request for a map showing where they live, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.2.158.119 (talk) 20:23, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

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References used by Brimo1014 for ANTH 3134 project

1. ↑ Galanova, Mira (2017-03-01). "Lush heartlands of Nicaragua's Miskito people spark deadly land disputes". The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2017-03-22.

2. ↑ Robles, Frances (2016-10-16). "Nicaragua Dispute Over Indigenous Land Erupts in Wave of Killings". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2017-03-22.

3. ↑ Galanova, Mira (2017-03-01). "Lush heartlands of Nicaragua's Miskito people spark deadly land disputes". The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2017-03-22.

4. ↑ Robles, Frances (2016-10-16). "Nicaragua Dispute Over Indigenous Land Erupts in Wave of Killings". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2017-03-22.

5. ↑ "Miskito | people". Encyclopedia Britannica. Retrieved 2017-04-03.

6. ↑ "An Overview of the Miskito Natives | A Journey Through Nicaragua 2015". sites.dartmouth.edu. Retrieved 2017-04-03.

7. ↑ "Miskito Indians of Honduras Finally Granted Over 1 Million Acres of Traditional Land". First Peoples Worldwide. 2013-09-24. Retrieved 2017-04-09.

8. ↑ "Honduras's gift to indigenous Miskito people". Retrieved 2017-04-09.

9. ↑ "Mískito". Ethnologue. Retrieved 2017-04-09.

10. 1 2 Decker, Ken (1998). "A Report on the English-Lexifier Creole of Nicaragua, also known as Miskito Coast Creole, with special reference to Bluefields and the Corn Islands" (PDF). Summer Institute of Linguistics.

11. ↑ Blair Stiffler, David (1981). "Music of the Miskito Indians of Honduras & Nicaragua" (PDF). Ethnic Folkways Records.

12. 1 2 Jamieson, Mark (2010-01-01). "A journey into symbolic disorder: Miskitu reactions to Mestizo Catholic ritual in Nicaragua". Ethnography. 11 (3): 409–424.

13. ↑ Dennis, Philip A.; Olien, Michael D. (1984-01-01). "Kingship among the Miskito". American Ethnologist. 11 (4): 718–737.

14. ↑ "Miskito Legends, Myths, and Traditional Indian Stories (Miskitu)". www.native-languages.org. Retrieved 2017-04-09.

15. ↑ "Miskito facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com articles about Miskito". www.encyclopedia.com. Retrieved 2017-04-09.

Brimo1014 (talk) 19:47, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Anth 3134 peer review of Brimo1014

Looks like a thorough and neutral article, and well-written! I think it's all clear and straightforward, both within sections and overall (logical flow of topics, demarcated subsections). Edultz (talk) 23:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I really appreciate that there is a small section about the Miskito language. It looks like the list of rulers is currently in need of citation. Could you find a source to verify the information? This is an extremely long article and is bordering on the upper limits of the recommended character length for a Wikipedia article. It might be nice to comb through and make sure nothing is really redundant or unnecessary. The structure of the article, however, seems sound, and you did a good job of maintaining a neutral tone. Jminteal (talk) 04:18, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Untitled

There is a article on Mosquito Coast that takes up similar subjects./213.67.152.54 14:50, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I know. The two articles are closely related. //Big Adamsky 15:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

1894

The first part of the article says that they were absorbed into Honduras in 1894, but the second part of the article talks about their battles to remain separate from Nicaragua - I know they cross over the border - but this part of the article makes little sense and needs to be tweaked a bit. ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 12:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Historical evidence of kings contradiction

In the upper part of the article, there's stated that the first confirmed king was Jeremy I 1687, but in the history section of the article, king Ovoman is mentioned to have met Charles I, who died 1649. Can someone sort out this contradiction..? Nilzzon 00:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Nilzzon has found the source of all confusion, see Chrsitian Buyers page "The Royal Ark" for all details behind our wikipedia-article. Possible copyrightproblem with pictures. /195.67.228.126 05:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

serious contradictions

You're right, there are serious contradictions in this article. Honduras in the first part should probably read Nicaragua, since most other articles, especially Mosquito coast, have them falling to Nicaragua in 1894. The part about Jeremy being the first recorded king seems just plain wrong, in light of his predecessor meeting the King of England. In case anyone was wondering why all the sudden attention, this article was just picked as WP:TOTW and several of us translators are now trying to make some sense of it in various other languages! Cheers, ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 02:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

As a Nicaraguan, let me try to clear this up. The original Miskito Kingdom was located partly in Honduras and partly in Nicaragua, its capital was in the Nicaraguan side. The Nicaraguan military eventually conquered the area. Part of the land (Cabo Gracias a Dios) was later ceded to the Hondurans.

More problems...

"British support also created Nicaragua, a country intended for the Miskito."

I can't find anything whatsoever in the other articles on the History of Nicaragua to back up this assertion. Does it need to be cited, perhaps? ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 18:55, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Infobox and See also links

Please leave infoboxes and See also links sections intact, as they were put in these articles for a reason. Thanks for contributing constructively in future. //Big Adamsky 11:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

More History Problems

The whole timeline seems wrong, compressed. The Miskito were allied with British, French, and Dutch pirates in the 17th century and as part of this alliance, carried out raids on the Honduran Spanish settlements. They also provided a haven for escaped enslaved africans long before the Garifuna were relocated to Honduras. Rsheptak 01:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

British identity ?

The lead states that: "It is thought by historians that the Miskito sought a British identity ; indeed, European dress was popular among the Miskito, and the Miskito kings even had English names." Despite this lacking source, how is one suppose to conclude that because natives wear European dress they "seek a British identity"? What does that means, precisely? Is using an English name necessarily the sign of wanting to become English? And what is the signification of this "assimilation" to European culture from the Miskito's point of view? That is, how did they conceived this specific "British identity"? I doubt that they thought of it in the same way as a British did. This statement, although not necessarily false, needs explanation & sources; as it is, it seems just another sign of ethnocentrism. Or am I completely mistaken? Tazmaniacs 14:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• na verdade muitos deles são claramente predominancia negroide; alguns tem predominancia native outros são intermediaries não faz sentido identidade inglesa alias é mais um grupo cultural do que propriamente etnico visto a variação do elemento negroide e nativo em varias sub-etnos — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14C:DA94:730:420:8A7B:1AA2:3641 (talk) 12:18, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Sickness among Miskitos

I found this interesting article on sickness amoung the Miskitos, i think it would be a nice sub section addition to the article. Nicaragua’s Crazy Sickness

• LaNicoya 03:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Additional Information on Miskito resistance to the Sandinistas

This paragraph is inaccurate:

"The new Sandinista regime established health clinics, schools and projects supporting agricultural development, while Miskito youths were engaged in the armed forces. Others were given access to education. The creation of Comités de Defensa Sandinista (CDS) also lead to an extension of the state in these regions. The Miskitos, who had been subject to pervasive racism before, were assimilated by the Sandinistas to the exploited classes, granting them a new dignity."

It does not mention that the Sandinista army attacked Miskitos along the Rio Coco in 1980, leading many Miskito to flee to refugee camps in Honduras and some, such as Brooklyn Rivera and Stedman Fagoth, to organize armed resistance to the Sandinistas. Rivera, who later reached an accomodation with the Sandinistas, explained this by saying, "Nearly half of our villages have been destroyed by Nicaraguan bombing or they were burned to the ground by Nicaraguan military, and more than one thousand of our civilians and Indian warriors have been killed." http://www.cwis.org/fwdp/Americas/nicwar.txt. It was the attacks on Miskito living in traditional villages that created the resistance to the Sandinistas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaintes (talk • contribs) 23:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Slavery

Why would somebody bring Miskito slaves to Europe? --Error (talk) 21:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Dexter Hooker

I think he was also a Miskito. According to some sources, his group initially supported the Sandinistas and it's clashes with other sandinist groups was the reason for the subsequent support of the miskitos for the contras. But i'm not sure i got it right. Anyway, Hooker and his group seem notable to me for this article.--Severino (talk) 10:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

doesn't include info on contra abuses of Miskito communities

The article only shows info about the Sandinistas repressing the Miskitos and some Miskitos joining the Contras -- but it's well documented by Human Rights Watch and the Catholic Church human rights reports of the time that some Contra groups attacked Miskito communities, involving especially bloody abuses. 96.246.39.61 (talk) 04:05, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Suggestions for improvement…

Here are some things that could be added or specified further

• "Before the arrival of Europeans in the region," — specify when this was.
• "During the 20th century" is probably too broad of a period and could be subdivided.
• Within that section, the dates and importance of various political figures that are mentioned are often unclear.
• "In April 2009 the Miskito announced" — which of the Miskito backed this declaration and which did not?
• Classification — what other groups are the Miskito related to?
• "Prior to the Wyke-Cruz treaty with Britain" — Is this the same or different as the 1859 treaty in the next sentence?

Economy material is fascinating.--Carwil (talk) 03:06, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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