Talk:Mobile phone/Archive 4

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South Korea

Compared to Iceland, South Africa, etc etc etc, South Korea needs to be mentioned. If I find something I will put it up, but simply from the top of my head, Korea has one of the highest mobile device levels, novel GPS and devices, "mobilde device culture" lol is also an expansive business in Korea although I doubt the merit of such articles, and etc. Certainly there is a lot to pick from because Korea's economy has so much emphasis on exporting mobile technologies. Also mention of Samsung and LG as having good market shares and currently expanding. I am pretty sure that Motorola has the most market share currently because I heard it on the news, but I'm too lazy to look for sources and figures. The manufacters' list listed looks like the work of some white man who watches too much Memoir of a Geisha...? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jin29 (talk • contribs) 11:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

Why is this page semi-protected?

Why is this page semi-protected, and why isn't that fact mentioned anywhere (except in the page history)? - dcljr (talk) 00:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Removed valid reference link

A link to an item supporting the amount of the child population with mobile phones has been removed. The source was Onecompare - a prominent commentator in the UK press as can be seen from a google search * http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=onecompare&meta=

i.e Comment in Times, Telegraph, Guardian, Mirror etc.

I see this link has been marked as spam by user AB and has been replaced by a link to theregister - an IT news site with seemingly no presence in the mainstream press. This seems to be a calculated attempt to remove a valid link with preference being given to another site of lesser importance.

I have changed the link back to the original and leave this topic open to discussion. AntB

The link you provide is to a commercial site that flogs mobile phones - the register site is an analysis of the survey and a direct link to the survey. I have removed your site and replaced it with the register - I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that the well-know IT news and media site The Register is of "lesser importance" than a company trying to flog mobile phones. AB was correct to do what he did. --Charlesknight 10:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh and please sign your posts correctly using either ~~~~ or by clicking the signature button on the toolbar, the version you use goes nowhere. --Charlesknight 11:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The Register site is no less commercial than the original site I linked to considering the amount of ad blocks. The Register simply reports news in the way that the section of Onecompare that I linked to does, plus Onecompare is an actual industry commentator - hence the lesser importance comment.

Regardless you have pointed out something useful to me in that there is an original source for the report - therefore I have changed the link to the original report source as this is recommended for Wikipedia.

Oh and thanks for the signing tip! Antb 11:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Comments:

You're right about my edit summary and I apologize -- I should probably not have used the language "delete sneaky spam link hiding as a footnote" when deleting the link. We've had a lot of problems with spam hiding in footnotes and references and this footnote appeared to meet the profile -- commercial link embedded by an editor using what appeared to be a single purpose account.
Having said that, the message I left on your talk page is a Wikipedia-approved template message for a newish user adding links possibly in good faith but that do not meet Wikipedia's policies (Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia:Spam). Since very similar sites have been campaign-spammed before, I left you a "General Note" per the warning grid guidance.
If I know a user is spamming in bad faith, I call it "spam" in my edit summaries on their talk page. Otherwise, I use an edit summary such as: "Do not add promotional links to external site".
This appears to be a very commercial site and other, very experienced editors apparently agree, but I will back out of this discussion and let someone else decide. --A. B. 16:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks A.B. The reason I've only posted on this article os because this is the only one I could help with! All I did was fill a hole where someone was looking for a reference. On the commercial site point I would question that a site that offers it's customers a good deal of aftersales service and campaigns against bad customer service probably doesn't have commercial intentions at the heart of it's operations. I.E a truly commercial site would probably spend that time and money on print advertising etc and just funnel customers around like cattle as long as it provided revenue.

Regardless the original source of the research used has now been found so my original goal of filling in a missing reference has been achieved, no matter how round about the job was done! Antb 19:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Excellent - job done and now back to the Hall of Justice where we can all have a milkshake :) --Charlesknight 19:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Is direct copying allowed?

This whole paragraph is plagarized directly from the source it cites:

"Mobile phones have also been identified as a cause of reduced sperm production in men. Microwaves emitted by the phones reduce the number, mobility and quality of sperm by almost half in the heaviest users, to the point where some men may become infertile, scientists say. This could have devastating consequences for fertility rates around the world. Almost a billion people around the world use mobile phones, and the number is growing. Even a small effect on fertility could result in millions of men being rendered childless."

Delete it - it's a copyvio. --Charlesknight 14:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC) Correct!--Johnhardcastle 11:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Cell Phones

Which counrty has the highest penetration of cell phones ? In one source it said Iceland, another said Hong Kong and Wikipedia says Luxembourg, so which one is it?

Penetration? Exqueeze me?

Manufacturer list?

T-Mobile is a phone manufacturer? Also that list seems to list some rather unknown, and probably small manufacturers as "the world's largest". X570 01:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

T-Mobile most definitely does not manufacture the phones sold under their brand. Most all of them have been made by HTC and rebranded for sale through T-Mobile. – Fʀijølɛ _{( tɐlk • ¢ʘɴ†ʀiβs )} 04:57, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Should the manufacturer list not be an actual list, rathe than a list in the form of a paragraph, which is quite unreadable!

Claims of Danger at Gas Pumps

I corrected a few misspellings and poor grammar in this section, but the grammar throughout the section is poor. It reads like something thrown together in haste instead of being carefully thought through. I don't have time to clean it up, but an overall cleanup would be a good idea. Gschrive87 15:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

CDMA/GSM

Why is CDMA listed as an alternative to GSM? CDMA isn't a cell phone network standard, it's a multiplexer standard that can be used for almost any type of data transmission. 193.11.202.125 22:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Use while driving

"While few jurisdictions have banned motorists from using cell phones while driving outright"

- this surely needs some kind of adjusting as mobile/cell phone use while driving is illegal outright in Enland (and, I believe, the rest of the United Kingdom): http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/documents/page/dft_rdsafety_025216.hcsp —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.81.240.93 (talk) 23:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

If the UK is the only country in the world that has banned talking on the phone while driving outright, I'd still say the sentence is accurate. Are there any other countries that allow no phone use by drivers at all? hajhouse 21:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC) Acutally I just read the source listed about about England, and it states that cell phones are not banned outright while driving, only handheld cellphones. If any one knows of a place where drivers are completely absolutely forbidden to use cell phones (without a handsfree exception) please edit it in. hajhouse 21:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I've heard of people being stopped in Costa Rica for talking on the phone ... I'll check on Central and South American countries and their rules when I catch a minute. 21:17, 27 January 2007

Australia also has baned talking on mobile phones while driving.

Banned in Ireland (the republic therof) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.7.34.195 (talk) 09:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Brain cancer again

Anybody seen this:[1] It looks like there might be another study coming out we should probably look at. Keep an ear out for any news;) --Dematt 16:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Should the section on cancer be expanded? It only really represents the findings of one study, despite the numerous conflicting studies out there. Someone reading the article will come away with a definitive "no" when that sort of census hasn't been reached. Onikage725 23:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Cell phone science is in its infancy. Thank you. Ilena 00:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

This one looks worthy of researching further. Study Details Mobile Phone Dangers. Has this one been discussed yet? Shalom. Ilena 21:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Another from my archives to chew on. Mobile phones tumour risk to young children. Thank you. Ilena 21:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Please review ... Very good video

http://www.safewireless.org/ Ilena 15:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

I didn't expect all the recent edits to be vandalism, or reversions :) I guess I don't check the history of popular pages often enough :) Mathiastck 11:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Cell Phone Interference/"Speaker Buzz"

I'm surprised I'm unable to find any information on the above subjects, perhaps its somewhere that I as unable to find? I did a pretty thorough search however and I'd imagine this is the appropriate page for such topics to be mentioned.

New Law in Britain

Use a mobile... and lose your vehicle Ilena 21:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Brain Cancer?!

Is it just me or does it seem like the section on brain cancer should be near the bottom.. Not the first item (after background)? I mean wikipedia articals should probably reflect the MOST important attributes first. Risk of brain cancer is clearly low on most people priority list given the number of people using cell phones. The top one should probably be technology or something...Duncan St. Ives 17:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)aa

Brain Cancer contradiction

Ref nine, used to cite the idea that cell-phone users who started after 1995 wern't counted in the brain cancer study by the national cancel assocation, contradicts the earlier sources which say the study concluded that there was a health risk, even though this part of ref nine isn't used. (The first two refs consist of what appears to be a blog and some personal health person's website) Ref nine seems to think that a study by the exact same institute concluded that the opposite was true more or less, and that there was nothing to worry about. This seems quite peculier. Homestarmy 19:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, the blog looking cite was just being cited falsly, and also says the same study found no link. I've corrected it, might want to watch out for vandalism like that in the future if it happens. Homestarmy 19:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

India unmentioned

The fastest growing market for cell phones is India. Adding more than 6 million users per month and telecom giants like Vodafone plunging in to claim there share. This has to find a mention on the page. apurv1980 21:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

A separate article for Mobile Communication

I believe mobile communication should be another separate article, rather than redirecting to this article. Mobile phone technology and mobile communication technolgy are certainly different. If too much objections won't come, I'll add a separate Mobile Communication page. --Anoopkn 08:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Article suggestion: Mobile phone location and tapping

See Talk:Telephone tapping#Merge (and split) suggestion for details. `'mikka 20:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Europe is not a country

The Features paragraph should be rephrased, as Europe and Australia are not countries.

In most countries, including Europe, Japan, Pakistan, Australia, Chile, Colombia, India,[11] Maldives and Israel the person receiving a mobile phone call pays nothing.

What's Australia calling itself these days? I guess I haven't kept up. --Fru1tbat 17:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

My bad :) --212.62.54.166 22:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Australia is a country. If you read the article about Australia on Wikipedia you will see that Australia is just like USA. It is treated as a country and is a country. I know because I am an Australian. Winxptwker 09:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

cccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.93.209.85 (talk) 12:41, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

WOW that is a good one... Australia IS NOT a country!!! And I always thought that I was BAD in GEOGRAPHY!?!?!... Domenicasilva 14:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Australia is the name the continent consisting of the mainland country of the same name and several smaller islands. Now unless geography is being taught differently than how I was, there shouldn't be any contest. It's considered common knowledge.--Imaginationac (talk) (edits) (email) 00:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Driving

I've tried to improve the section on driving [2]. I don't really see any need to list all the US States which currently have driving bans. This sort of detail is best left for the main article. And the section on the UK giving a detail explaination of the fine inccured was unnecessary. Also the section on Europe may be misleading as the main article suggests France, the Czech Republic and Netherlands at least don't actually have bans (although as neither was referenced I don't know which one is correct). It also sounded funny (all European countries except e.g. Sweden). I'm not 100% happy with the way things sound at the moment so feel free to try and improve it but remember to keep it concise. Nil Einne 13:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Gallery of notable phones ???

I only recognize half of them, what makes these in particular notable? I think it should just be removed altogether, the gallery doesn't really add anything to the article, there are already pictures of phones further up Kalleboo 21:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I added a new picture with old and new cell phones. I don't know if they are notable when compared to others, but I do think it gives an idea of how much cell phones have changed in the past decade. Thief12 23:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Date of first mobile phone call

This article says that "Cooper made the first call on a handheld mobile phone on April 3, 1973." However, the 1973 article makes no mention of this event. According to the article 1972, the date was April 3, 1972. And the article April 3 says that it was April 3, 1973. Obviously two of these four articles are incorrect. Can someone knowledgeable with mobile phone history please clarify if the correct year is 1972 or 1973? --Miken2005 19:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Tesla

Should Nikola Tesla be mentioned somewhere in this article or not? GloomySunday 02:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

what are SMS and MMS?

they sound technical, and should be defined or linked. rich 19:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Lithium-Ion?

The "Power" section of this article seems to have Li-ion batteries confused with Ni-Cd batteries. According to Lithium_ion#Guidelines_for_prolonging_Li-ion_battery_life, these batteries have no memory effect. It would appear that following the advice of this section (draining the batteries to improve battery life) could actually damage the battery. Aradian 19:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

CCS Deletion

I just deleted the reference to the Colony Collapse Syndrome. The Independent (sole source) did not ever interview the scientists who conducted the study, and it turns out the study had nothing to do with cell phones. It involved cordless phones, not cell phones. Source is here: http://colonycollapse.org/content/view/23/33/ The researchers are pretty angry about the Independent's irresponsible journalism. Let's not follow that example. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.16.237.112 (talk) 14:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

Please stop re-adding the Environmental Impacts section. It's bad science, has been debunked, and the source above proves this. I'm not a vandal. This deletion is warranted.

The link you've provided above doesn't seem to be working, but I'll take your word for it (the source seems questionable on it's own). In the future, however, please provide an edit summary, especially if you delete an entire section of an article, otherwise you're likely to be taken for a vandal. Gtg204y 14:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Apologies. This is my first wikipedia edit. I'll get a login and follow your advice in the future. I just happened to be doing research on it when I found the error, and made the change while I happened to have the time. I will provide edit summaries in future. Here's some quotes from the site (which is working for me):

"the study in question was misinterpreted in two critical manners. Firstly, the research did not actually address cellphone radiation at all. In fact, the study used base stations from cordless phone sets, embedded in colonies. Secondly, the study was of a very small scale"

"It's not my fault if people misinterpret our data," said Kimmel. "Ever since The Independent wrote their article, for which they never called or wrote to us, none of us have been able to do any of our work because all our time has been spent in phone calls and e-mails trying to set things straight. This is a horror story for every researcher to have your study reduced to this. Now we are trying to force things back to normal." -- HeraldTribune

I don't have an independent ref to the Herald Tribune source.

define cell phone

A mobile phone (commonly known as cell phone) is a portable and rechargable electronic device used to comunicate with others out or at home, using the cellular network. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.129.105.106 (talk) 00:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

The First Cell Phone Carriers

The first cell phone carriers are Bell And AT&T. Those are the first companies that started cell phone and today cell phones maybe very small but long ago they were are big as the regular phones. The history of cellular phones are very interesting and can make u wonder how the phone u are using was made especially the razr. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.129.105.106 (talk) 00:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

The first "cell phone" carrier was actually Vodafone. 86.155.13.8 00:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Please clarify

Could you please make the meaning of this sentence clearer?

the small detonator of flare in the battery of every cellphone

Does that mean each phone contains an explosive detonator? Or is it an allusion to the use of tracking mobile phone signals?

Thanks.

202.130.159.184 10:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Anyone whatching this article?

Article state: There will be over four hundred million cell phone users in China by 2015. Yes, as a matter of fact, there was 461 million cell phone users in China in 2006^[1]. Yes, technically statement is correct - there will be over four hundred million cell phone users in China by 2015, unless China population dramatically decreased, or new technologies, like telepathy, introduced trough genetic modifications using gene therapy will render mobile phones obsolete by that time. But I still got strong feeling that statement is kinda misleading... TestPilot 04:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

^ http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/04/content_800710.htm

Some changes

1. Put all the instances of 'cell phone' to 'mobile phone' as this is the title

2. Removed link 'In a recent interview^[1], Philippe Kahn, who built a camera phone, discusses its social impact and how it connects people around the world.^[2]' as it was in the main article when at most it would be suitable as an external link.

3. Removed 'Sprint Plan' section as it seems a bit advertise-y and is out of date anyway, as well as having no link

4. Removed the SWAT reference as a) irrelevant and b) there aren't SWAT teams in Spain

5. Removed uncited 'rule of thumb' about base stations and costs that looks a bit dodgy anyway --iamajpeg 17:51, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I support these changes: the article had far too much of a US-bias. The English wikipedia covers English-speaking countries all over the world, so when it comes to country-specific things such as the 'US FCC', it needs to be specifically mentioned as being US. Wibbble 20:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Cellular Devices

If you're a cellular phone enthusiast please join Wikipedia:WikiProject Cellular Devices —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Searchmaven (talk • contribs) 01:36, August 24, 2007 (UTC).

Mobile phones on aircraft - incorrect reason stated in article

Mobile phones on aircraft has a good summary of what I believe are the reasons for mobile phones being banned on aircraft (channel re-use and interference are key reasons). The main article here talks about the issue of planes overloading the cellular networks while landing at a busy airport - this is not mentioned on Mobile phones on aircraft and seems entirely bogus, since the same 'effect' would also occur with trains arriving at a busy railway station (there are probably far more trains arriving per minute at a busy station than a busy airport, and majority of European rail passengers would have mobile phones turned on.)

Suggest we delete this statement from main article unless someone has multiple verifiable sources for this.

As far as I know, the "reason" for prohibition at petrol filling stations, at least in UK, is claimed to be risk of electrical discharge/ short circuit, i.e. generation of a static spark, even though there has never been any report ever of such an occurrence having any safety implications. I am unsure, however, if this prohibiton is enshrined in UK law (as the lower age limit for dispensing fuel is) or is merely seen as "good practice" on the part of the petrol retail companies. Perhaps someone could offer a definitive view and/or real evidence from the perspective of UK Health and Safety legislation? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

LG Mobile is LG? Please remove from Other manufactures because it is in the top 5

"Other mobile phone manufacturers include Apple Inc., Audiovox (now UT Starcom), Benefon, BenQ-Siemens, High Tech Computer Corporation (HTC), Fujitsu, Kyocera, LG Mobile,..."

But LG is in the top 5. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.152.115.183 (talk) 05:01, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Redirect

Can someone fix this??? {{redirect|Cell Phone|the 2003 Chinese film|Cell Phone (film)} Peter Horn 15:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Health Section Quality

The quality of the health impacts sections is awful. The English is terrible and it contradicts itself with some very heavy POV. Most of it is fair though, and I'd fix it but for some reason this page is semi-protected. 88.172.132.94 —Preceding comment was added at 18:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Wiki

I suggest add http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Cellular to external links

Is it true that talking on a cell phone can actually cause of brain cancer?? What does it have to do with... the metals in it???

free talk

i m saying about mobile this is good thing for buisness men.not for students............--122.201.36.155 21:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)shaique ali memon...

BATTERY DEAD?

i dont know why but every time i charge my phone my battery only last so long until it just dies again, now i know they arnt suppose to last forever but come on only 2 hours. some times you get a real nice phone but then you have chargeing problems, i wish there was a battery that just charged the way it is supposed to.Huder34 (talk) 19:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

mobile phones own! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.223.2 (talk) 15:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but despite your personal issues with your phone, Wikipedia isn't a forum to complain. You might want to check out www.consumerist.com and voice your complaints there.

References

One reference for the NMT becoming operational in 1981 is the book by Gordon Stüber: Principles of Mobile Communications, 2nd edition. Can't add it myself because the article is protected.

Now days, the cell phone is a popular item for any age. Cell phones come in many styles, colors, and special features. —129.69.170.1 (talk) 13:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[1] ttp://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-02/04/content_800710.htm

[2] Weekend America interview on public radio

[3] Father of the Camera

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