Talk:Mount Hope Estate

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Good articleMount Hope Estate has been listed as one of the Geography and places good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
November 4, 2010Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 2, 2009.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Mount Hope Estate (pictured) is home to the Pennsylvania Renaissance Faire, a winery, a brewpub, and a rare pre-1840 American formal garden?

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mount Hope Estate/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Gyrobo (talk) 04:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • (1) Well-written
    • (a) the prose is clear and concise
        • "...an 1895 remodeling transformed the structure with Victorian features."
        • Did it tranform it using Victorian features, or transform it to have Victorian features?
      • "...also notable for the pre-1840 American formal garden..."
        • Would read better as "also notable for its"
          •  Done (and changed "the grounds are" to "the grounds is" for subject-verb agreement, since "grounds" can be either singular or plural) cmadler (talk) 16:18, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • "...named to recall Cornwall."
        • Phrasing just seems a little odd here.
      • "The property was listed in the National Register of Historic Places in 1980, with a boundary increase in 1991 associated with the Iron and Steel Resources of Pennsylvania MPS (Multiple Property Submission)."
        • This feels awkward. Is there a way to rephrase this to say that it was listed as a MPS, or that it became part of a MPS?
      • "...the most formal ironmaster's mansion built in the area..."
        • What does this mean? Would a link to another article explain this?
          • ? I'm not sure how else to word this. The area was a major center for iron production, so there were many mansions in the area built by ironmasters. MHE was the most formal of these. I've added a wikilink to Polite architecture, which is not a very good article but will perhaps give an idea of what is meant. cmadler (talk) 16:42, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
            • That's good, I just wasn't certain what "formal" meant in this sense.
      • "locally cut", "locally quarried"
        • Should be hyphenated "locally-cut", "locally-quarried".
      • "Some, like Hope Church..."
        • Can probably read better as "Some of the buildings, like Hope Church..."
      • "...over the years, and today..."
        • Looks like a run-on sentence.
          • It is not a run-on sentence, because the two related independent clauses are properly punctuated using a comma and a coordinating conjunction (",and"). The coordinating conjunction could be replaced with a semicolon if you think that would be better. cmadler (talk) 16:51, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
            • I'm reading it again and it makes more sense now.
  • (b) it complies with the manual of style guidelines
    • Three disambiguation links
    • "...Mount Hope Estate and Winery, the Swashbuckler Brewing Company..."
      • Doesn't need to be in boldface. They aren't the topic.
    • "...mid-to-late-19th century...", "19th century"
      • Should read "mid-to-late-1800s", "1800s" where used as a date range. Phrases like "16th-century Tudor village" are okay, though.
    • "...1848-49...", etc.
      • Year ranges in this article use dashes, they should use ndashes. "–"
        •  Done I think I got them all. cmadler (talk) 14:56, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Architecture
      • If the reference in the title can be used for all the information in the paragraph, it should go at the end of the paragraph. If not, that paragraph needs a source.
    • Exterior has several small paragraphs that could be combined.
  • (2) Factually accurate
    • (a) it provides references to all sources
      • Dead links
      • "...and other events held throughout the year."
        • Examples are needed, or a citation that claims this.
          • They are detailed, and cited, in the section titled "Other events". cmadler (talk) 15:08, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • It might be a good idea to include something to the effect of "See below" in parentheses, possibly with a link to the relevant section.
            •  Done, though I disagree with the need for and appropriateness of this. cmadler (talk) 20:16, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • "As part of the Renaissance fair, Romito had a large crenellated wall built adjacent to the mansion."
        • Needs a source.
          •  Done The wall (including crenellation) is visible adjacent to the mansion in the photo in the infobox, but I can't find a citation confirming that Romito had it built for the Renaissance fair, so I've removed the statement. cmadler (talk) 16:58, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • "The pub is also used for musical and comedy shows throughout the year, both during and after the faire season."
        • Also needs source.
      • Outbuildings has a lot of unsourced statements.
      • The infobox doesn't have sources for its National Register of Historic Places info, but the article does.
    • (b) it provides in-line citations
      • The lead
        • It currently has no references.
      • Architecture
        • This whole section needs sources.
          • As noted in footnote #13, all the information in the section is drawn from the NRHP Nomination Form. I've added an inline ref to that note at the end of each of the subsections, but if you think it would be better I could go so far as to add it at the end of each paragraph. cmadler (talk) 15:08, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
            • WP:REF recommends adding references at the end of the relevant sentence or paragraph, rather than the end of a section/subsection.
    • (c) it contains no original research
      • Citations are needed.
        • Are there particular statements or sections that still need more citations? cmadler (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • It's looking really good, but there needs to be at least one reference at the end of each paragraph.
  • (3) Broad in its coverage
    • (a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic
    • (b) it stays focused on the topic
  • (4) Neutral
  • (5) Stable
  • (6) Illustrated
    • (a) images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content
    • (b) images are relevant

Reviewer: Gyrobo (talk) 04:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I believe I've addressed all the concerns raised above. If I missed any, please let me know! Thanks, cmadler (talk) 17:00, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I responded after each point that I thought needed further explanation, but overall, it's looking really good.
      --Gyrobo (talk) 19:43, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done, unless I missed something. Thanks, cmadler (talk) 20:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've added a little source data to the references, and split the one note in the article into a separate Notes section. The article meets all the GA criteria, as far as I can tell, and I'm going to pass it now. This was my first review, and I hope you found my comments and suggestions useful.
        --Gyrobo (talk) 03:19, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]