Talk:Musa Cerantonio

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On 2 December 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Robert Cerantonio. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Reference used for Musa abandoning Islam is considered an opinion piece[edit]

This assertion, which appear to have been first added to the article in revision 1080734280(03:37, 3 April 2022) and was afterwards added to more places in the article, is sourced from a single reference: [1]

This is a problem because, while The Atlantic is listed as a reliable source in the Reliable/Perinnial sources list, it also has this note:
"opinion pieces, including all articles in the "Ideas" column (theatlantic.com/ideas/), are governed by WP:RSOPINION"

This appears to mean that this link cannot be used as a reference to ascertain that he did indeed leave Islam and become an atheist, because it's considered an opinion piece. And so, there are now two questions:
1. Is there another source that isn't an opinion piece that can be used in place of this one?
2. If there isn't, should it all be removed or is there a way to rephrase the article to account for the fact that the only source is an opinion piece?
– 2804:F14:C060:8A01:39ED:2019:D269:496A (talk) 13:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@2804:F14:C060:8A01:39ED:2019:D269:496A theres no evidence, the source is from the Hindustan Times and they themselves made it up. 174.240.251.118 (talk) 03:30, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 December 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Unable to determine from the discussion the consensus to move. However acknowledging that there is a change in preference how the subject is referring to himself, this topic can be revisited when there are more sources in the future reflecting his new old identity. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 12:49, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Musa Cerantonio → Robert Cerantonio – Per WP:NAMECHANGES. He has abandoned his former life and has now reverted to using his birth name [2], [3], [4]. Shwcz (talk) 11:11, 2 December 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:53, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, he's known for his past in Islam, no? Perhaps NAMECHANGES wouldn't apply in that case?--Ortizesp (talk) 20:03, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He is only well-known for his association with Islam. Shwcz (talk) 03:38, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ortizesp, the closest policy associated with his name change would be WP:DEADNAME but instead of gender it is religion and occupation. He is shedding his jihadi life behind along with his name. Shwcz (talk) 18:35, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Don’t know if WP:COMMONNAME applies. Sources are split between his birth name and assumed one. Shwcz (talk) 19:00, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.