Talk:Najibullah Zazi

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Some things the article might want to reflect[edit]

some things the article might want to reflect:

1. The FBI handwriting expert has not made a final determination and needs to see original documents.

2. The criminal complaint does not mention terrorist training camps, only the DOJ press release does, and presumably the FBI agents' affidavits, which have not been been made public, AFAIK.

3. The authorities say that the bombmaking notes were found on Zazi's computer, but the criminal complaint places them as attachments on emails in what are presumably webmail accounts, which would mean they were on the webmail service's servers, not Zazi's computer, or possibly in both places.

4. The criminal complaint says that the bombmaking notes were sent to three email accounts controlled by Zazi, from a fourth unidentified account. Softshells (talk) 23:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These are all good points.
I have wondered what language these handwritten notes were written in. If they were written in a language Zazi was not literate in, that would be a pretty good sign he didn't write them. Who makes handwritten notes, and then keeps an image file of them, rather than transcribing them into machine readable form, anyhow?
This is pure speculation on my part, but one reason to keep images of a note rather than typing them in could be to prevent a text search of the computer's files from turning up the images. I'm more interested in the part where they are email attachments though. One could send anyone an email with an image attachment of how to make a bomb (or any other illegal activity of your choice), and most people would then have their email program (outlook, thunderbird, etc) download it, and it's suddenly on your hard drive. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.140.63 (talk • contribs) 10:43, 2009 September 26
Attachments? So they might have been attached to junk-mail he never even read? In March 2002 Pakistani security officials lead their US colleagues on a series of raids of "suspected safe houses", in Faisalabad. One of the houses they raided was described as suspicious, because it was full of foreigners. The captives had what seemed like a pretty good explanation for that. They were University students, and the house was the University's dormitory for foreign students. In their later annual reviews some of these men had junk mail they received used as a justification for their continued detention. Geo Swan (talk) 11:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation[edit]

Years ago I used to put the full birthdate in articles, when it had been published.

Subsequently the wikipedia adopted a policy on biographies of living persons. Out of concerns to protect private individuals from identity threat we now don't normally give the full month and day of birth, when just the year of birth is sufficient.

It shouldn't matter whether an individual is strongly suspected of plotting terrorism, or even if they convicted. We should extend the same protection against identity theft to them as we would to any other individual.

I have re-inserted the {{Birth year and age}} template twice. I strongly suspect that whoever is removing it doesn't recognize the template, doesn't understand why it is used, and thinks their removal of it is an improvement. But they are mistaken. The template emits html into the web page, that can read by robots. Allowing robots to reliably know a birth year, rather than relying on unreliable screen-scraping, is a very valuable thing. Please don't remove the template unless you understand how it works. Geo Swan (talk) 05:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is the second or third time someone has "corrected" {{Birth year and age|1985}} to spell out Najibullah's date of birth.

I used the {{Birth year and age|1985}} template for several reasons, including:

  1. the date template emit named fields for dates, ones that can be reliably searched for by robots, without making them resrot to unreliable "screen-scraping".
  2. to protect the subjects of our articles from identity theft, and other invasions of privacy, many contributors don't spell out the specific date of birth for living persons, as a courtesy.

I reverted the change, again. Please don't undo this -- without explanation. Geo Swan (talk) 13:43, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shoot. I already explained this a month ago. Geo Swan (talk) 13:46, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do fail to comprehend how, if government, & various other entities, have published something which is generally available, one additional source publishing the same data would have significant effect regarding identity-theft.

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 22:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

If someone wants to impersonate Najibullah Zazi, I say go for it! The results may not be quite as expected.... ;) Wnt (talk) 23:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Valerie_Elise_Plame_Wilson [edit]

  • The fake case scenario does seem relevant, possible, if not likely.

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 22:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

hopiakuta Please do sign your communiqué .~~Thank You, DonFphrnqTaub Persina. 22:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Article Renaming[edit]

This article should be renamed 2009 Al Qaeda New York Subway Bomb Plot then rewritten accordingly. Edkollin (talk) 03:31, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds fair, as along the lines for the 2010 Times Square car bomb attempt. and then Najibullah Zazi can redirect to that.122.167.180.180 (talk) 09:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You can start a separate article if you like for the event, and have two -- much as we have w/the Fort Hood shooter and the Christmas Day Bomber. No need to deprive the benefit of the existing cats, for example.--Epeefleche (talk) 09:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See also[edit]

"Links already integrated into the body of the text are generally not repeated in a "See also" section, and navigation boxes at the bottom of articles may substitute for many links "

  • Some links are already linked in the article so I've removed them for Overlinking.
  • There is also a template on the page that says "Persons allegedly associated with terrorism in the War on Terror who have lived in the United States" which is where most of the individual names can go. Even the detentions in Pakistan link is already on the template.
  • For the train bombings there is a template for that, one can add the requisite years addition for thisLihaas (talk) 09:42, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The see also is more informative than the template, which militates for its continued existence. No need to hide the info in a template.--Epeefleche (talk) 09:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

update needed[edit]

This article is woefully out-of-date. I tried searching the Internet for details of the man's sentencing, but I could not find anything specifically saying he had been sentenced! It's like he has disappeared. Could someone else please help?211.225.39.71 (talk) 02:32, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

update needed[edit]

This article is woefully out-of-date. I tried searching the Internet for details of the man's sentencing, but I could not find anything specifically saying he had been sentenced! It's like he has disappeared. Could someone else please help?211.225.39.71 (talk) 02:32, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whew, I finally found something: He's to be sentenced this month (in 2013!). 211.225.39.71 (talk) 02:36, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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