Talk:Name of Hungary

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Ungarii vs. Yugra, Ouggroi[edit]

Well, this is a bit of a puzzle. The Voguls are known as Yugri in sources beginning in the 12th century, and people tend to imply that the Latin Ungarii is derived from that. But the Latin Ungarii is attested much earlier, as early as 970 in Widukind of Corvey. However the name made it to Europe, it must have got there pretty much the same moment the Magyars themselves did. --dab (𒁳) 13:12, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The answer to the above seems to be that, no, Ungarii does not have the same etymology as Ugri. It seems not unlikely that the two names have influenced one another due to their similarity, but apparently Ungarii is from the Turkic, while Ugri (Οὔγγροι) is from the Uralic, or at least an exonym applied to Uralic peoples, Yugra. --dab (𒁳) 09:04, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dab, I don't have sources handy, but I'm pretty sure that the lack of the n is due to Slavic: Proto-Slavic *ungr- (< Turkic on-ogur) regularly becomes OCS ǫgr- and Old Russian (j)ugr-.

The reason for the addition of the unetymological h in Hungarii (which was possible because the h wasn't pronounced anyway) is the association with the ancient Hunni. Thus, all forms are explained. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and Οὔγγροι is pronounced [uŋgr-] with nasal, so this is comparable to Ungarii, not the Russian form. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:46, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The following article discusses exaxtly this question, i.e. relation between Ugri and Yugra:

Vásáry, István (1982). "The 'Yugria' Problem". In Róna-Tas, András (ed.). Chuvash studies. Bibliotheca orientalis hungarica. Budapest: Akadémiai kiadó. ISBN 978-963-05-2851-1. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 03:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Name of Hungary[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Name of Hungary's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Hungary":

From Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen: Aldásy, Antal. "Hungary." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 7. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 17 Apr. 2009 <http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07547a.htm>.
From Hungarian people: A Country Study: Hungary. Federal Research Division, Library of Congress. Retrieved 2009-03-06.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 08:14, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wegry (Polish)[edit]

Where does the Polish name for Hungary originate? It looks different from Czech and Slovak names. 82.46.64.88 (talk) 17:38, 18 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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