Talk:Namecoin/Archive 1

Official website

There's some question about which of the namecoin sites are the "official" website. I'm removing the official website link until there's some consensus of neutral editors on the issue. Three prime candidates are namecoin.info, namecoin.org, and dot-bit.org. I think they're related, but can't confirm that. It could wind up like Bitcoin, which has no official website.

User:Sudoquai changed the official website from dot-bit.org to namecoin.org, saying in an edit summary: "dot-bit.org is only a subproject of Namecoin like onename.io (http://www.onename.io). As mentioned in wikipedia they are a lot of usage cases. ".bit" domains (dot-bit.org) is only one of them." Sudoquai, I noticed a sudoquai on bitcointalk and forum.namecoin.info involved with the corporate promotion of Namecoin, so I'm assuming you know what's up, but we still need a source.

This Wikipedia article is currently treating a this 2011 bitcointalk.org namecoin announcement post, PGP-signed by vinced, as a reliable source, and it lists dot-bit.org in that post. One thought would be to treat dot-bit.org as official, and if they state another website is official, switch to that. Dot-bit.org does mention a Namecoin wiki at http://wiki.namecoin.info/, so it's at least being maintained and is aware of the other site.

Reading non-reliable sources, I've mostly seen claims that namecoin.info is the official site, but not from any reliable sources. Here are some non-reliable links: a Github post said dot-bit.org was the official site, and that someone else was promoting a commercial site as official. Another github post said another site, which they thought might be namecoin.org, would be indicated on the official website in the future, but didn't indicate what the official site was. altcoins.com, coinish.com, and altexplorer.net say namecoin.info is official. Finally, Someone apparently associated with dot-bit.org said that namecoin.info is the official website, but that a new unnamed website was being worked on.

Agyle (talk) 01:35, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Agyle has a history of deleting things I put on Wikipedia, so probably won't listen, but namecoin.info is the official site. namecoin.org is owned by a guy known to the Namecoin dev team, and that guy has promised to give it to them, but hasn't done so yet. Call this "original research" or something and ignore it, but it's fact.

namecoin.info is run by kahl, the guy who came up with Namecoin. Also active on there are a bunch of other cats who contributed to Namecoin code, and namecoin overall, including vinced.

dot-bit.org is also an official site, run by the same guys.

Sudoquai is NOT a member of the dev team, and he is NOT "involved with the corporate promotion of Namecoin." He's a guy who showed up very recently and offered logos, and is really psyched on promoting Namecoin, but he's not a developer and not involved in any official capacity. And he gets things wrong, as you can see by him changing the "official site" without knowing what he's talking about.

It's hard to point to something Agyle would consider adequate info on this, because it's a bunch of user names on a forum. But you should also note that a bunch of them sign their posts with the namecoin id/ function (which was created by Namecoin dev team member domob), which is cryptographically sound proof that they are who they say they are. They also use those on the GitHub repositories of the Namecoin code.

This is the official forum, where all the Namecoin dev guys hang out and work on upcoming implementations: http://forum.namecoin.info/

Here's a post on that forum from phelix, who provides bounties for coding on Namecoin improvements, discussing the fact that namecoin.org is NOT the official site: http://forum.namecoin.info/viewtopic.php?p=10563#p10563

phelix, kahl and vinced are thanked at the bottom of this page on the FreeSpeechMe site: http://www.freespeechme.org/meet-the-team/ That's a site you've given a "thumbs up" to as "encyclopedic", even though you deleted MeowBit, I added both FreeSpeechMe and MeowBit to this page. You removed MeowBit, twice.

ElizaBarrington (talk) 03:48, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Eliza, thanks for the explanation, that clears up a lot. You're right I don't find just an explanation adequate for treating as a fact on Wikipedia, but mine is just one opinion, and I haven't looked that thoroughly yet. If it is verified that dot-bit.org and namecoin.info are both official, namecoin.info looks to me like a better landing page (just one should be linked, according to WP:EL). Both sites link to pages on the other site, so it shouldn't matter much which is linked.

Regarding my "history" of deleting your material, I think I only removed your information on "meowbit", about a day ago. It wasn't personal; it was because it wasn't verifiable with reliable sources. That's Wikipedia policy, described in WP:RS. Agyle (talk) 04:37, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Yeah, I understand. But please note that I'm a long-running editor on Wikipedia with many useful edits that have stood for years, and User:Sudoquai just showed up and has no history. Also, the bug he mentioned has been fixed. It's hard to point to "proof" because the Namecoin guys aren't big on hustling publicity. ElizaBarrington (talk) 04:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, I thought it would be useful to check the topicline of the relevant IRC channel on Freenode. Here is the output from Freenode's alis service, displaying the channel's name, number of joined participants, and the topicline.

00:13:45 -alis(alis@services.)- #namecoin 90 :Namecoin: P2P datastore based on Bitcoin | http://namecoin.info • #namecoin-dev | NO TRADING use #bitcoin-otc

Note also that Freenode attempts to use single hashes to denote official channels and double hashes to denote generic or unaffiliated channels (e.g. ##math). Considering previous discussion, I suggest that http://namecoin.info/ be given as the official website and http://dot-bit.org/ be placed in the External links section.

—James Haigh (talk) 2014-08-15T00:18:45Z

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I *am* an official developer so let me clear this up: namecoin.org is the official and preferred homepage for the project. Namecoin.info and dot-bit.org have both been deprecated but they have not yet been removed. I've also corrected the IRC topicline on #namecoin. Indolering (talk) 23:31, 4 October 2014 (UTC)