Talk:Nate Diaz/Archive 1

Nickname[edit]

Nathan does not, nor has he ever competed or been announced under the name "The Stockton Strangler". This is a colloquial term that a few Sherdog users gave him in 2008^[1]. CMCyantist (talk) 21:46, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can those of you with terrible grammar please stop editing perfectly legible information? It's annoying to come back here and see that my sentences have been altered to such an extent that they no longer make sense. - Cybrus 16:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

References

^ http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/nate-diaz-stockton-strangler-now-760615/

Where are his parents from?[edit]

Where are his parents from, as have read he is of Mexican background? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.17.201.221 (talk) 23:54, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled[edit]

Nobody wrote his win 2nd win against gamburyan because he felt he had to beat him fairly not by injury —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.155.99.200 (talk) 03:32, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2016[edit]

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Tied with Frank Mir and Kenny Florian for second-most UFC submission wins (8) should be changed to Second-most UFC submission wins (9) - Diaz won UFC 196 tonight with a rear naked choke earning him his 9th submission win in the UFC and giving him sole possession of second place on the list of most UFC submission wins. Michaeljaccarino (talk) 07:42, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:40, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not a vegan[edit]

Diaz is not a vegan, despite him claiming it in a video. "occationaly throwing in fish and eggs" is not being a vegan, and I suggest removing this claim. Cherry-picking of sources where claims of veganism come up will not do to reflect the actual facts of his dietary choices.

"But Diaz has simple reasons for eating almost exclusively raw fruits and vegetables, organic and whole foods as opposed to manufactured foods, and only occasionally throwing in fish and eggs" - http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/ufc-on-fox-nate-diaz-diet-fitness-regimen-benson-henderson-killer-recipe-120312

"Nick and Nate Diaz stick to a pescetarian diet in which they eat fish but not meat." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ufc/2016/02/28/conor-mcgregor-nate-diaz-ufc-196/81074650/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.108.215.239 (talk) 19:30, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Retirement[edit]

Nate Diaz announced his retirement on the same day Conor McGregor did. 4/19/2016. Of course we need more info than just a tweet from him. -Jorge 01:57, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2016[edit]

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Nate Diaz wikipedia page stating he is a third degree black belt in his basic information box. He is First degree black belt.

174.102.122.28 (talk) 06:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:19, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Public image[edit]

Could we add a section about his outspoken nature? That's what makes him so entertaining for me. He's more interesting than he seems in this article, whereas the big money guys like McGregor have stuff on their articles about their personality. I might look into adding it later. HughMorris15 (talk) 18:47, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Record Update[edit]

Can somebody please fix his record in the name box and MMA Record Section? It should say 19-11 but both say 20-11. If you look at the MMA Record section it skips his 19th win, I would fix it myself but don't know how to do it correctly. Swan89 (talk) 21:42, 2 May 2019 (UTC) Swan89 4/29/19[reply]

Cassandra removed my edit "because it wasn't constructive"[edit]

My edit was changing his height from 6'0 to 6'1 (his correct height). lol I literally changed one digit Wiki is full of lunatics and thats why there's so much misinformation and "facts" totally unsubstantiated. Every time I try to make an add on this site there's some nutcase jumping on because it doesn't work with whatever narrative their pushing. No matter how many substantiated/references facts are I use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasrussell (talk • contribs) 05:42, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thomasrussell Greetings. I am the one who revered your edit and place the warning in your talk page and not Cassandra. I have provided you the link [ https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nate-Diaz-11451] for your reference. Information added to the article need to be supported by source. If you see the on the bottom of the info box, it states Sherdog.com. "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution' - see WP:BURDEN. Wikipedia is not about true but what could be verified. - pls see WP:But it's true. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 07:16, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BMF title[edit]

Discussion moved to Talk:List of UFC champions. Cassiopeia^(talk) 09:01, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The BMF thing was not a real championship so should not be treated as if it was. NEDOCHAN (talk) 16:55, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The "BMF" title is an accolade that was awarded by the UFC and is part of its history. Mentioning it is relevant and ignoring its existence would not be appropriate. Articles of UFC fighters are not limited to publishing undisputed championships. It also includes lesser awards such as TUF and tournament winners. Whether you like it or not, the UFC awarded a BMF title and including it in the article is not "treating it like a real championship." Platonic Love (talk) 14:08, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This has been discussed. By all means seek consensus. I OPPOSE. NEDOCHAN (talk) 14:14, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Look how many times it's been added by IPs and then removed. Consensus is clear.NEDOCHAN (talk) 14:26, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please direct me to the discussion you mentioned because I can't find it. How is consensus clear? I don't see anyone reverting except you. You say you oppose and don't offer any meaningful reasoning for doing so. Please demonstrate consensus for removing sourced information that is relevant to the subject matter of the article. Otherwise you're simply being disruptive and reducing the quality of the article. Platonic Love (talk) 18:13, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gsfelipe94: @CASSIOPEIA: Platonic Love is warring at the moment to add info to the article that has been deleted regularly since the fight. They seem to think this is just me. Could you direct them? NEDOCHAN (talk) 09:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's info on the background related to the symbolic title. Just like McGregor/Mayweather had one. Gsfelipe94 (talk) 19:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gsfelipe94, NEDOCHAN, and Platonic Love: Good day. I was requested to comment on the abovementioned as such I will chip in my opinions here. We do welcome other editor to voice theirs if they choose to.

McGregor/Mayweather is a non-title boxing match. This BMF championship belt is MMA fight. However, to say that, it is not a sanction championship belt but it is a symbolic championship belt for UFC as we knew that UFC filed three trademarks for "'BADDEST MOTHERFUCKER" and one of them is to use to name the "BMF championship belt" - see here
Since this is a mma match, in Wikipedia we use the WP:MMABOX as the guidelines. Under the Note section it states "The column Notes is meant to be used for information related to the bout, including but not limited to special rules, awards earned, failure to make weight and similar. Do not use it to put irrelevant text such as "MMA Debut", "UFC debut", "Cut from the UFC" or similar text not directly related to the bout." In that sense, the BMF belt is directly related to the bout and if we would put a fighter missing weight for title belt, or debut in XXXweight, or won TUF fight (which no belt was handed out but a trophy which is a TV series/tournament. created by UFC), as per guidelines, I dont think it create any harm to include the well sourced BMF belt in the note section, after all it is a note to viewer and to say that if the consensus is to remove the text then it is ok by me either. However, since it is a Content dispute here we are addressing, I encourage to discuss the issue and stop WP:Edit warring until we come to a consensus resolution here either by discussion/compromise or by vote. Either way, please discuss in civility, assume good faith and provide guidelines or sources where needed, as we the mma editor need to come together and collaborate and help each other and not warring. Any interested editors are welcome to comment and discuss. Best. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 01:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cassiopeia, NEDOCHAN, and Platonic Love: This belt should not be treated the same way as standard championship belts. I added a section in WT:MMA regarding why it should not be included. I am aware boxing is a different sport, but for Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Conor McGregor the WBC Money Belt was not included in either athlete's boxing records notes section. This BMF should also be treated similarly in that it should not be included. A mention in the career section is acceptable, but it certainly should not be listed alongside real weight class belts. Belts should be taken seriously and this is not an officially recognised belt. TUF and tournament winners are acceptable as they occur frequently. This belt is a one-off, never to occur again. Furthermore, by not including it in the List of UFC champions does not show it has been ignored. It is still mentioned in fighter's career sections. I believe we should have a vote on whether the BMF belt should be mentioned any where else other than the relevant fighter's career's sections. Gilbert.JW (talk) 21:25, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to add to this conversation regarding List of UFC Champions, there’s a borderline edit war occurring there too regarding the inclusion of the BMF “title”. I honestly feel the only place it should be mentioned is in the body of Nate Diaz and Jorge Masvidal’s pages. Anywhere else, it has no business. Purely the fact that it stands for “baddest motherfucker” alone downplays it’s historical significance in the UFC, on top of the fact that it was given purely for promotional purposes as well as a tool to feed both fighters already massive egos. It absolutely has no historical significance and in a couple years, it will probably be forgotten it was even given away.--Rockchalk7 17 23:10, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I entirely agree. The only editor who doesn't doesn't and their main reason is that they think I'm the only one who does. Consensus is clear. Restore and move on.NEDOCHAN (talk) 23:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@NEDOCHAN, Platonic Love, and Gilbert.JW:. Greetings. I was invited to comment and here is my take.

Please read the message above where I stated 2 points on 12 March 2020 as such it is nothing wrong to place info on the "Notes" section of the fight table.
If the BMF championship belt is listed under List of current mixed martial arts champions then it should be removed as it is not a official weight class belt.
As for the info should be listed on List of UFC champions that is debatable. The BMF belt is not a real belt but a symbolic belt. If we accept TUF "tournament winners" (not a championship and the prize is a trophy and a contract with UFC) in the list yet we reject BMF champion then it is not consistence for the argument sake after all it is "UFC list page" and not a mma champions page, just as some mma organisations do not have interim champion but we would find them in UFC. We either accept both TUF and BMF in List of UFC champions or we remove both from the list for the consistency ground. Please allow the discussion to run at least for a month so other editors would make the comments. Thank you. Cassiopeia^(talk) 11:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@NEDOCHAN, Rockchalk717, Platonic Love, and Cassiopeia: Championship systems include: title match, tournament, league, hybrid and playoff. According to this, the TUF and tournament winners can be accepted in List of UFC champions. The 'BMF' does not qualify for this criteria, therefore it should still be removed from the article, but the TUF winners can be left. Gilbert.JW (talk) 12:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

agreed. There is no comparison between TUF and a silly promo. NEDOCHAN (talk) 13:20, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree 100%. It was just that IP that seemed to think BMF was a major part of UFC history. Regarding TUF, I can see both sides of TUF winners being included so I don’t really have a strong opinion either way.--Rockchalk7 17 20:19, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@NEDOCHAN, Platonic Love, Gilbert.JW, and Rockchalk717: Giblert. JW, you have listed this discussion in two talk page (here and in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts. Pls keep the discussion in only one place. So the editors can comment and shared their view. Since it involved wheather the belth should be listed in List of UFC champions then it should be discuss there instead of the fighter page. I will move this discussion to Talk:List of UFC champions. Thank you. Cassiopeia^(talk) 09:01, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion that was directed from here to Talk:List of UFC champions#BMF title reached no consensus on removing both the BMF belt and TUF winners from List of UFC champions page. As a result, the BMF belt will be kept in the List of UFC champions page like TUF winners, for the sake of consistency. Ticelon (talk) 12:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Buyrate[edit]

There are no reliable sources for buyrates. All we have are anonymous sources who supposedly inform MMA journalists, who in turn publish these claims. Dana White has suggested they can be wildly inaccurate. Does it make sense to include "highest" buyrate, given the info we have is seemingly unreliable? Perennial Student (talk) 17:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2020[edit]

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The date for UFC 244 under PPV bouts is wrong. 192.222.218.72 (talk) 06:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jack Frost (talk) 08:41, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2021[edit]

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change from 20 wins to 21 wins Nikahulshurya (talk) 19:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

UFC bonus awards[edit]

The text incorrectly states "Diaz is tied with Joe Lauzon for the second most UFC bonus awards, with 15 in total." He is now tied 3rd behind Charles Olivera and Cowboy Cerrone. Both their respective pages, as well as the linked Joe Lauzon page, explain this too. 2604:3D09:8481:730:A929:1CD:A1AA:6DF0 (talk) 02:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

mason mad!!!![edit]

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