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"Erskine-Smith was raised vegetarian, and is now vegan. He has Crohn's disease.[1]" The only source is an audio recording from Canadaland Commons (Podcast)
is Canadaland Commons (Podcast) considered a reputable source?
In general is a podcast a source that can be used?
The section about his wife is unreasonably long for an article about her husband. And how is it relevant that she grew up on a farm and when it was purchased? I think this section should read as follows:
Erskine-Smith has been married since August 6, 2011[2] to Amelia "Amy" Symington, who he met in an undergraduate film studies course at Queen's University.[3] Symington is a professional vegan chef as well as a nutrition professor at George Brown College. They have one son together, Mackinlay Erskine Symington-Smith, born August 22, 2016.[4] -- Ntb613 (talk) 03:15, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
CANADALAND podcast it Erskine-Smith himself talking so yes, it's reliable in that I take his own word for it. Two is that his wife is well-known in the culinary community of Toronto. I think it's preferable to just have two or three sentence about her than a two or three sentence article about her. He has sited his in-laws and there many generations on their family farm multiple times in public so just giving greater context to who they are if somebody, like myself, wanted to know more it. I do not support removing the part about the in-laws' family farm. Cladeal832 (talk) 03:40, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you that the farm/ancestry background on his wife is excessive and WP:UNDUE; in fact, I have removed it from the article before, only to have it restored later by the same editor. She is not the subject of this article, however, so her extended family history is not warranted. There is no legitimate reason why it would belong here, as it's not about the subject of the article. The fact that he might talk about his in-laws himself does not make it notable information about him unless media coverage follows his lead by giving that information prominence in its coverage about him. People talk about lots of things in their personal lives that still don't belong in an encyclopedia article. (For instance, even if he namedropped what make and model of car he happens to drive in a speech, it doesn't automatically follow that said information would merit inclusion in Wikipedia. If he identified his favourite beer or wine, it doesn't automatically follow that we would have a reason to care. And on and so forth.) We are allowed to use primary sources, very sparingly, for the subject's own basic statements about himself (e.g. an LGBT person's own website can be used to source the fact that they're LGBT) — but only for his statements about himself, which is why self-talking his wife's great-grandfather into Wikipedia is not an equivalent situation. I haven't listened to the Canadaland podcast in question, but its admissibility as a source for that statement hinges on whether it's an interview with Erskine-Smith in which he identifies himself as having Crohn's disease, in which case it's acceptable (though should still be replaced with a better one if possible, because podcasts are problematic sourcing at the best of times), or whether some third-party simply makes the claim that "Nathaniel Erskine-Smith has Crohn's disease", in which case it's not acceptable sourcing at all. Bearcat (talk) 03:43, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted back to an earlier version, which I contributed to which has better sourcing, and then added more sources. The Toronto Star mentions his wife as a noted Toronto vegan chef/nutritionist, so just mentioning that should be okay. Obviously a detailed family history doesn't belong here and is excessive; if Amy Symington is a notable enough Toronto chef, she can get her own article and her family history would be acceptable on that article. I listened to the Canadaland podcast, and it is Erskine-Smith saying himself that he has Crohn's disease, so it is okay, but I would prefer a better source, though I haven't found one. I think the inclusion of Erskine-Smith's parents names is okay since it provides context for his hyphenated last name, and is used in a reliable source (EDIT: I think my recent edits preserves the information about the origin of the name w/o revealing names who are sourced only in one RS 01:47, 13 October 2016 (UTC)). I think adding that Erskine-Smith lives at The Beaches is ok, since a reliable source actually found it fine to give the address, which can be generalized to the neighbourhood, which is very different from the scenario at Gerald Butts where a address mentioned in an unreliable source and primary sources were being relied upon. However, I'm open to removing either of the two above if people disagree with my take on WP:BLP. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:15, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
