Talk:National anthem of England

"Swing Low Sweet Chariot"

This is a de facto England rugby anthem, just as "Jerusalem" is for cricket Saccerzd (talk) 12:52, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

It is not an anthem, its just something they sing in the crowd. It has never been sung as a national anthem. Its not even English, its American. 82.1.157.16 (talk) 14:47, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure this would be a good thing to add to the discussion - with appropriate supporting references as per WP:RS of course! :-) The Parson's Cat (talk) 12:37, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

References please

The title of this article is "Proposed English National Anthems" - anything included should actually have been proposed by someone other than the editor who added it. In short, each entry needs references, or it will be deleted. Thanks.--Michig 12:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Referencing "sentiment" may be difficult. Anecdotes though are easier: on 13 October 1992, Michael Heseltine announced to Parliament a list of coal mines proposed for closure. That evening, John Peel opened his BBC Radio 1 programme with two versions of Jerusalem: one by The Grimethorpe Colliery Band and one by The Fall; he added the ironic comment from The Fall's version that "nothing is ever the fault of Government", from a phrase interpolated into Blake's lyric by Mark E Smith. This evidences that Jerusalem is widely seen as a de facto National Anthem. Dajwilkinson 23:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Some of the 'anthems' mentioned here have, I'm sure, been proposed as English National Anthems, though I have doubts over Blaydon Races (the article on the song makes no mention of the subject), though I could be wrong. As with all Wikipedia articles, however, references are required for verifiability - this isn't a campaign site. John Peel playing Jerusalem is in no way evidence that it is a de facto National Anthem. I know that Jerusalem, in particular, has been proposed in recent years by various parties - just needs refs, that's all, and I'm sure in the case of Jerusalem that they can be found. I'll try to find some myself if nobody else comes up with any.--Michig 07:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

British national Cultures?

What does this mean ?:

Ultimately, none of the English national anthems have any relation to England itself (excepting Jerusalem), as the English national culture started to fade away with the Union of the Crowns, replaced mainly by Scottish and Welsh national culture. Instead, British national cultures are used in "Rule Britannia" and "Land of Hope and Glory".

This sounds like complete nonsense. How did English culture fade away, to be replaced by Welsh and Scottish? How is British national cultures(whatever that is) used in the two songs mentioned? A terrible sentence and POV. There of course is a counter-argument which says British culture is based on English culture.

Please feel encouraged to tackle unsourced and dubious material as per WP:BOLD. The Parson's Cat (talk) 12:52, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

It's the usual left-wing narrative that "England has no culture". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:1996:CA01:54E6:EC6B:4A5F:2886 (talk) 19:53, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

As usual with things pejoratively attributed to the left wing, that's actually a right-wing narrative.

Nuttyskin (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

There'll always be an England

Would "There'll Always Be An England" qualify to be a possible national anthem? 84.12.47.154 12:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

It would only qualify for inclusion here if reliable sources can be found to demonstrate that it has been proposed as a national anthem.--Michig (talk) 21:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Rule Britannia

I have removed Rule Britannia from this entry. It has absolutely no place in a page on a "National Anthem of England". --UD75 (talk) 23:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

"All You Need Is Love"

This has often been suggested as an alternative national anthem for England, The Queen chose it for her golden jubilee, it was chosen as the anthem of the millennium and it came fourth in a poll to find a new English anthem. Hiding T 10:35, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

If you can find reliable sources as supporting references as per WP:RS, I am sure this would be a good addition to the article. The Parson's Cat (talk) 12:40, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

General recognitions

There is no de facto national anthem for England due to the timing of the Treaty of the Union and the general creation of national anthems for countries. Although "Jerusalem" is a song that renders national pride "Land of Hope and Glory" is generally recognised among the English public as the national anthem and is the most used national anthem when representing the country without using the British/Royal national anthem. Land of Hope and Glory has been recognised by the monarch although not constituted by the government. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rowanashe (talk • contribs) 16:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

"Land of Hope and Glory" is a British patriotic song and it most definitely has not been adopted as the national anthem at all. Your comments that - "Land of Hope and Glory" is generally recognised among the English public as the national anthem and is the most used national anthem when representing the country without using the British/Royal national anthem is actually an opinion that is not sourced.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 17:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

There is no legally defined national anthem for England or the United Kingdom. Like many aspects of British constitutional life, its official status derives from custom and use, not from Royal Proclamation or Act of Parliament. The previous sentence is quoted from the article God Save the Queen. The question is can you show which National anthem is used the most when representing the country and please include this in the article.

"God Save the Queen"

I think that "God Save the Queen" should be removed from the list of possibilities due to the fact that it is already the national anthem of the United Kingdom, and does not represent England in anyway at all.

It is not included on the pages about possible national anthems for Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland, and therefore i think it shouldn't be featured on this page as well. --The cows want their milk back (talk) 16:34, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

and does not represent England in anyway at all - I beg to differ. In the majority of cases it is used in place of an individual national anthem (eg. football, rugby union, lacrosse) unlike in any of the other countries where a variety of unoffical anthems are used. It is probably the most widely used of the suggestions in terms of use. Highfields (talk, contribs) 16:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

But the reason it is used is because it is the national anthem of the UK, and more well known. Besides this page is about proposed national anthems of England, which GSTQ definitely isn't - it is the national anthem of the UK, so cannot be the anthem of England aswell. The cows want their milk back (talk) 17:14, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually it is about the various anthems used for England, and that is one of them (and technically it can be both, although it's irrelevant to this discussion). Highfields (talk, contribs) 17:28, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

This article is entitled "National anthem of England". "God Save the Queen" definitely isn't a national anthem of England: it is the national anthem of the UK. Should it really be here? The Phat Cow (talk) 17:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

No, but it is used as an anthem more often than any of the other suggestions. The page has to not just be about proposals but about the current situation. Highfields (talk, contribs) 16:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but that is because it is the national anthem of the UK. You could say the same about the other consituent countries, yet it isn't included on their national anthem pages. It is like saying the national (state) anthem of California is the national anthem of the USA, because it is used more. The page is titled National anthem of England, and whether GSTQ is or is not used more in England (which outside of Football matches, I highly doubt it is) does not determine whether or not it is a National anthem of England. The Phat Cow (talk) 17:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

If you can document any public debate along these lines using reliable sources as per WP:RS, then I'm sure it below in this article: it would help readers to understand why there is a debate. The Parson's Cat (talk) 12:48, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

"Rule Britannia"?

This sentence had no citations and does not seem to be accurate at all; The song "Rule, Britannia!" has been associated with England since 1740, and is recognized internationally as representing England (not always favourably as it can be interpreted as being aggressive). I have never heard this been used specifically to represent England, it is specifically about Britain. It wasn't even written by an English person, it was written by a Scotsman. Should it be included on this page? 82.1.157.16 (talk) 14:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Well as no one seems to have any problems with this, I'm going to go ahead and remove the section. 82.1.157.16 (talk) 17:35, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Good action as per WP:BOLD. Thanks! The Parson's Cat (talk) 12:50, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Add a History Section

This article needs a history section to explain the background to this. Has England ever had an anthem in times gone by? What caused people to think England should have an anthem now, even though some say it already has one? There's much to be addressed here.

1.126.106.58 (talk) 20:29, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Anthem

There is no agreed national anthem of England but it is usually defaulted in the absence of agreement to be —"God Save the King"— in 2016 some MPs felt that England should have its own distinct anthem with the result that there have been discussions on the subject in 2A02:6B61:32FF:0:552D:F98A:BEF8:7FFC (talk) 19:41, 18 February 2023 (UTC)