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Authenticity question[edit]

There appears to be some level of uncertainty if these are genuine WWII firearms, or if they are post-war fakes designed to feed off interest in Nazi artifacts. This is actually hinted at in several of the citations, as the RIA listing suggests the firearm's markings have some spuriousness, the Guns.com article is very cagey about stating actual factual information (the word 'apparently' and synonyms like 'is said to' are used a lot), and the McCollum video outright states that the weapons may be fabrications. The article does not mention this at all. --73.232.146.130 (talk) 02:19, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I believe there's even a comment on McCollum's site which proclaims that they suspect they personally knew the person who made these in West Germany after WW2. An anecdote, but an interesting one. More interestingly, there is zero evidence anywhere at all that these guns were actually made during WW2, and the design of these (which range from .22 caliber rimfire four shot guns to 9mm Parabellum single shot guns), do not match up at all with the sometimes cited patent.

Fraudulent Nazi artifacts are certainly not a rare phenomenon, and there's some rather famous ones out there. That these are post-war fakes can likely not be established with firm veracity, if the previously mentioned anecdote is true then the person seems like they would take the secret with them to the grave (if they're not already dead), and if these things actually are the real deal, nobody has ever found anything which supports or reinforces that. 81.230.153.57 (talk) 08:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, it wasn't a comment even, it was that person contacting McCollum directly, and there's a full followup article relaying that man's account.

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/nazi-belt-buckle-pistol-background/

This is still just an anecdote, but it's a second article by the author of one of the sources here which speaks against the veracity of these as WW2 era items. 81.230.153.57 (talk) 08:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]