Talk:New York State Route 33/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer:  VC  18:11, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

 On hold For the most part, this article is in good shape, but there are some issues in the Lead and Route description I would like you to work on before I promote the article. The History, Suffixed routes, and Major intersections sections look great. I have put the article on hold.  VC  00:22, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm not going to dive into this now, but I commented on some points that I consider to be non-issues. – TMF 02:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

I am satisfied with the improvements in the Lead and Route description. This article is ready to be promoted.  VC  23:51, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Lead

"It is of considerable local importance..." I do not think this phrase is necessary. I would be more concise and just say the freeway connects downtown with the airport. If you want, you can mention it is the most heavily travelled portion of the highway.

• Trimmed down. – TMF 07:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

The term mid-1960s has a hyphen, while late 1940s in the previous sentence does not have a hyphen. Please make the usage consistent.

• There's nothing inconsistent about this. Both uses are correct English. – TMF 02:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
  • I looked this up and you are correct, so we are good.  VC  07:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

New York State Route 33B is in bold. I do not think that phrase should be in bold because a search for that phrase leads to a set index page instead of redirecting to this article.

• Under that logic old route numbers would never be in bold, like NY 385 in NY 237. I disagree with that take because one of the dab links does redirect here (and likewise the original NY 385 link redirects to NY 237), and readers will wonder why it does. – TMF 02:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
  • In that case, it can stay bold.  VC  07:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Route description

The freeway has frontage roads between Elm/Oak and Jefferson, including ramps between the frontage roads and the freeway. Humboldt Parkway also acts as frontage roads. I would mention this.

• I'm somewhat reluctant to because one could argue that the RD already gives a bit of extra weight to the first eight miles of the road. – TMF 07:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
  • The first eight miles are the most important section of the highway, so a few more sentences is probably not going to knock the article out of balance. I will leave it up to you whether to add the information.  VC  07:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
    • I've looked over the aerials and the section, and I can't think of a way to add them without making the section choppy. Also:
      • The first pair is just over a half-mile long and the second is barely a mile. If they were continuous, I'd think harder to find a way to integrate them, but as it is they're barely blips on NY 33's radar.
      • The first pair ends at an exit that isn't even covered in the RD because the junction is so minor.
      • Humboldt Parkway is mentioned in the RD: "and through the middle of Humboldt Parkway" – TMF 04:41, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

The phrase "leading to somewhat incongruous rock walls in some areas" is not sourced. I would either source it or remove it because it may be too much detail.

• Trimmed down. – TMF 07:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

"The Bailey Avenue (U.S. Route 62 or US 62) intersection is below the highway while the last Buffalo exit, Eggert Road, is above." Stating whether the cross-street passes above or below the freeway is too much detail and potentially confusing. I would simply state the highway has interchanges with the two roads.

"Past Harlem Road, the expressway curves as it prepares to meet the New York State Thruway..." I am looking at a map and the curve west of the Thruway is very slight. I would simply say the expressway meets the Thruway at a full cloverleaf. The S-curve east of the Thruway looks more significant and worthy of mention.

"Beyond, the expressway goes below grade into a concrete-walled cut..." I am not sure how well the map source supports this. It seems like too much detail for something that only lasts around the interchange.

• Completely rewrote this part of the RD. – TMF 07:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

"The large aerospace contractor Calspan has its headquarters here..." I do not see Calspan along NY 33 on the map source. Do you have another source that can verify that Calspan is here? Also, the piped wikilink is not necessary because the title of the article is Calspan.

• I'm not seeing a need to cite it since it's not controversial and it's easily verifiable. By clicking on the wikilink, readers can get Calspan's general location from the article (Buffalo) and their exact address (Genesee Street, NY 33) from their website at the bottom of the page. – TMF 07:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree that Calspan's presense and location are not controversial and are verifiable. My issue is the Yahoo Map source citation is placed immediately after the half-sentence mentioning Calspan, implying the source is verifying what is being said. Calspan is not identifiable on the Yahoo Map source unless you know exactly what the Calspan building looks like on the satellite view. I would remove the citation, since it does not support anything.  VC  07:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
    • Well, it is supporting the sentence prior to that one. I moved the cite to after that sentence. – TMF 04:41, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

"...where it crosses Ellicott Creek near some scenic rapids." I would remove the word "scenic" since there is no source to corroborate their scenic value.

• Don't know how I missed that in my initial rewrite. Done. – TMF 07:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

In the paragraph describing the route through Batavia, I suggest including the names of the streets on which the other state routes travel. Also, there is no mention of NY 33 following Main Street in its concurrency with NY 5, or that Main Street is a four- or five-lane street with center turn lane.

• Section totally redone. – TMF 07:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Genesee Community College is located almost a mile from NY 33 via two town roads. I would check how you reference it because "It subsequently passes Genesee Community College" implies the college is along NY 33.

• Reworded. – TMF 07:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

"NY 33A picks up NY 33's course as the main route turns to the north yet again..." The wording of this sentence may be confusing. Instead of talking about picking up a course, I would state NY 33A continues east on <name of road> while NY 33 turns north onto <name of road>. I would also mention that NY 33A has an interchange with I-490 just east of the intersection.

• Completely reworded. – TMF 07:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Looking at the map, NY 33 crosses the main east-west rail line (Rochester subdivision?) on a truss bridge. I would mention the truss bridge.

• That seems like undue weight to me considering it's just one bridge on a 70-mile route. – TMF 07:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
• Added the crossing, but not the bridge details. – TMF 07:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

"and crossing NY 259 at North Chili" I would use a different verb here. "Crossing" suggests a grade separation.

• Done. – TMF 07:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I would describe the interchange with I-490 in more detail, since there is a ramp from westbound NY 33 to NY 531.

• Added a one-liner about the connection to NY 531. Any more details beyond that is undue weight IMO. – TMF 07:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

"As on the outskirts of Buffalo, it parallels an Interstate Highway—now I-490 off to the south—" I do not think you meant to say "Buffalo" here. Also, just say the route parallels I-490.

• No, Buffalo is the correct city in this instance since the RD is comparing this stretch of NY 33 to the section outside of Buffalo. Also, replacing that sentence with just I-490 would make it wrong since I-490 comes nowhere near Buffalo. – TMF 02:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
  • On second thought, I decided to scrap this as part of a partial rewrite of that section. – TMF 07:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)