Talk:Newspaper endorsements in the 2016 United States presidential primaries

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Endorsements carried over from the primaries?[edit]

In doing some checking, I found that the 4 papers that endorsed Trump during the primaries continue to endorse him. I think primary endorsements that carry over ought to be represented here, somehow?

(Though I'm reluctant to consider The Enquirer a newspaper)

There ought also to be some caveat about New York Observer being published by his son-in-law. Bob Kerns (talk) 18:16, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Circulation?[edit]

It would be helpful, in judging the reach of these endorsements, to have circulation numbers for the papers included? Bob Kerns (talk) 18:16, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Guardian[edit]

I removed The Guardian from the list of Bernie Sanders' endorsements. While the item is unequivocally pro-Sanders, it's not an official endorsement by the newspaper. It represents the views of its five named writers, four of whom apparently are not even on the Guardian staff. When the Guardian publishes an editorial, it's unsigned and specifically labeled as an editorial; see [1] and [2] for examples. And here's the Guardian's endorsement for the 2015 UK general election. Again, it's unsigned and labeled as "Editorial". --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:07, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Magazines, too?[edit]

Marquis de Faux recently removed Cruz's endorsement by the National Review with an edit summary "as it is not a newspaper, it is a magazine". Interestingly, the immediate previous edit (by an IP) was the addition of Clinton's endorsement by Rolling Stone, with an edit summary "Rolling Stone (not the first magazine on this page ...". I presume this refers to Sanders' endorsement from The Nation, which was added back in January by HimiGrey. I prefer consistency, and don't presume to revert something that has been present apparently without protest for over two months of active editing by multiple editors. Consequently, I am restoring the Cruz/NR item until a WP:BRD discussion concludes otherwise.

It seems that we have three choices:

(1) Remove Remove the 3 magazine endorsements
(2) Keep/NoMove Keep the 3 magazine endorsements (the current status quo)
(3) Keep+Move Keep the 3 magazine endorsements, move article to News media endorsements in the United States presidential primaries, 2016

To be consistent, I believe we should go towards either (1) or (3), but I believe (2) is the best state for the article until a consensus is reached.

Among the points to be considered:

  • (+1) The title and lede clearly say "newspaper"
  • (+3) The list already includes weekly newspapers, which brush closely to the blurry line of demarcation between newspapers and magazines
  • (+1) Endorsements by newspapers is a long-standing tradition in the US, much less so for magazines and other non-newspaper media
  • (+3) Consequently there wouldn't be that many more items in the list so as to make it cumbersome (especially if the title is "News media endorsements ...")
  • (?) What has the practice been in previous years? (I haven't checked yet.)
    see below YBG (talk) 05:35, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I hereby open the balloting with my recommendation to Keep+Move. YBG (talk) 03:47, 27 March 2016 (UTC) see below for revised vote. YBG (talk) 05:35, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK, then I hereby proclaim a consensus. YBG (talk) 03:39, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the primary lists only include a handful of magazines, co-mingled in the same lists with the newspapers. Only in general election articles are separate lists maintained. I've just had a dekko at the article and it seems that nothing more needs to be done for this consensus. YBG (talk) 04:49, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The New York Sun[edit]

Should The New York Sun be included? It's not a print newspaper anymore; it's only online. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:16, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

General election endorsements[edit]

A general election endorsement was added to this article, but I reverted it since this article is about primary election endorsements. The same editor then re-added the material, apparently misunderstanding the reason why it was reverted. I took the matter up on the user's talk page, but have not had any response as yet. I believe the addition should be removed again, but I think it would be better if another editor did it. YBG (talk) 05:44, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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