Talk:Ngapoi Ngawang Jigme

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I doubt the conclusion that Ngapoi was the 3rd Tibetan Vice Chairman of National People's Congress (NPC) of China after Dalai and Panchen. Dalai was elected the Vice Chairman of NPC in 1954, while both Panchen and Ngapoi were elected to that position in 1959. So Panchen was the 2nd and Ngapoi was the 3rd? Hard to say. --Wxmtsinghua (talk) 16:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still learning how to use Wikipedia, but this article has some issues with point of view and proper formating, it should be flagged and reviewed and edited by an independent delegated editor, a few examples: under carrier: "Beijing peace negotiations in 1951" no proper name to the negotiations has been given, instead an adjective which describes the event, it should more properly use a proper noun or simple "negotiations held in Beijing in 1951"

the next paragraph utilizes a distinct opinionated voice and demonstrates bias in relating historic events, words of issue have been BOLDED: "However, according to historians and even Sambo Rimshi, one of the Tibetan negotiators[7], the Tibetan delegation, including Ngapoi Jigme, indeed went to Beijing with the Dalai Lama's authorization and instructions[8] · [9] As Sambo Rimchi recalled, Dalai Lama's instruction to the negotiators clearly state: “ "Here are ten points. I have faith that you will not do anything bad, so you should go and achieve whatever you can"[7] ” According to Sambo, the young Dalai Lama also told the negotiators to use their best judgment according to the situation and circumstances and report back to the Kashag in Yadong. Sambo recalled that the negotiators brought a secret codebook so that they could establish a wireless link with Yadong and discuss issues as they arose[10] According to historians the (historical events not under dispute should not require the aforementioned 'according to', if it is still under debate, both POV should be displayed), young Dalai Lama did ratify the Seventeen Point agreement with Tsongdu Assembly's recommendation few months after the signing [11][12]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allphish342 (talk • contribs) 07:51, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

short name[edit]

藏人痛失阿沛, Ngapoi recalls the founding of the TAR refered Ngapoi Ngawang Jigme as Ngapoi but not Jigme. Tibetan name is differente from the west.--刻意(Kèyì) 18:49, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have another problem, why the age of a death reported by official Chinese media was alway bigger than that by west media?--刻意(Kèyì) 19:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Being born in 1910, NNJ was one-year old in 1911, so he must be 99 in 2009.--Elnon (talk) 02:38, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Xinhua News Agency reported 100 years old. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.217.162.8 (talk) 03:26, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In East Asia, a person's age is counted starting from 1 at the time of his or her birth.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 03:42, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Governor of the Tibet Autonomous Region[edit]

The head of the Tibet Autonomous Region is called governor instead of president (look at the Tibet Autonomous Region entry itself). For example, Losang Jamcan is the present governor of Tibet. Translating 主席 into president blindly is incorrect. Also, the change is in accordance with the more accepted titles elsewhere.

I agree that it shouldn't be translated as "president", but, in every context other than the 主席 (zhǔxí) of the entire country, zhǔxí is usually translated as "Chairman", which is what I would suggest here. I think that "governor of Tibet" is dyspreferable because that would be a workable translation either of Losang Jamcan's position or of Chen Quanguo's, i.e. either 人民政府主席 or 党委书记.—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 17:42, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

If you compare the English article to the Dutch one the English one is biased in favor of the view of China. There is little mention of the regular Tibetan's view of him aside from the Dalai Llama's. Lusanders (talk) 21:37, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The biography of a historic character like Ngapoi Ngawang Jigme should rest on the published work of historians and not on the view of the regular Tibetan (whatever that view may be and wherever it is supposed to be found).
The Dutch article you are referring to is the work of a contributor whose reporting of Tibet's history happens to have been strongly questioned by other contributors to the project. From what I gather from his talk page, he has left the Encyclopedia as a result of the opposition and blame he encountered. --Elnon (talk) 13:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It would be intresting to define more in detail what is biased in the article and what is not. As for Davin's article, I did translate a number of his articles from Dutch into French and found they were perfectly neutral. I beleived he left wikipedia because he was harrassed. I have some idea why he has been. --Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 18:57, 28 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
After one year, not a single contributor has voiced concern about the alleged lack of neutrality of the page. So I intend to remove the NPOV tag in the next few days. --Elnon (talk) 21:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I know this is late, but how do you propose we incorporate this information that does not have the view of the Chinese government? https://www.jamyangnorbu.com/blog/2010/02/02/discussing-ngabo-in-1980/ --Lusanders (talk) 23:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

i dont know how to use this too well but i agree this is not neutral at all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.153.89.193 (talk) 21:49, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Ngapoi went to Britain for further education?[edit]

The article says "he went to Britain for further education" with a citation, but I can't find any details about it, and it seems that no other reliable source says he went to England to study. There was no indication that Ngapoi spoke English, which would be necessary for him to study in Britain. In comparison, quite a bit was written about the Four Rugby Boys who did go to Britain for education. I'd like to see better sources for his education in Britain. Happyseeu (talk) 21:49, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable quotation[edit]

The article cites a source that says "This means that the so-called "Tibetan independence" is entirely unfounded and untenable." However, Jianglin Li, author of Tibet in Agony, looks at different versions of the text and points out they grew longer over time and were inconsistent. Therefore I will remove the quotation until a reliable source can be found. Happyseeu (talk) 01:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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