Talk:Nick Adams (actor, born 1983)

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Read it: then explain why an actor's sexuality is of any significance to an article. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:53, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

hes putting himself on the cover or major articles of multiple gay oriented mags, making "it gets better" videos, and other forms of advocacy, staring in broadway on gay oriented shows (la cage, pricilla), publishing a blog that has articles about gay discrimination (that event which got quite a bit of notability and is probably a good section in the article). for starters. Gaijin42 (talk) 02:02, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, then explain why 'He is openly gay', belongs as a paragraph in an article. Even without enquiring what 'openly' means, how is this relevant? Karl Marx was openly bearded - not relevant. The Pope is openly Catholic - relevant. See the difference? If you are go in for gay-tagging, at least pretend you are doing it for a reason - tell the readers about it - but please don't try to tell me that "publishing a blog that has articles about gay discrimination" is necessarily an indication of being gay. Ensure that you can source the statement properly. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:08, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
1) I did not add that statement. I saw it come up on BLPN, and sourced it. again, have you read the sources? he talks extensively about being gay, and his experiences growing up gay, and tyring to help gay youth. I will add a section on the turtle bay incident as it has gotten enough coverage for a section Gaijin42 (talk) 02:11, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Good - if it can be properly sourced, and can be shown to be significant, then there is no reason why it shouldn't go into the article - but it needs to be there for a reason: I hardly think that there is much of significance in the mere fact that a Broadway actor is gay. I think that the world has moved on a little since the times when such matters were discussed only behind closed doors... AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:23, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
By itself it is not significant, but with the level of advocacy and community involvement this guy is doing, its pretty major, and I feel like you were being a bit of a rules lawyer on this. Its obviously a major part of his identity, and while the article should obivously be improved, that is no reason to cut out information that is accurate. Gaijin42 (talk) 02:32, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If I came across as a 'rules lawyer', I'm sorry - that wasn't my intention. The point is that we need to show why we consider someone's sexuality relevant, which as it stood the article didn't do. This is the thinking behind WP:BLPCAT, and BLP policy in general - merely being able to 'reliably source' something isn't necessarily a justification for including it, and if we do include something, it needs context, not a bald assertion of fact (not that, personally, I believe that simple binary divisions like 'gay' vs 'straight' fall into the domain of 'fact' anyway - but that is rather beside the point. Adams says he is gay, and I see no reason why we shouldn't let him say it). AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Accepted and exchanged for my own, as I was perhaps more terse than I needed to be. Are you satisfied with the section I added as being sufficient for the policy? Gaijin42 (talk) 02:52, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it seems fine to me - and I've added the relevant detail where it seemed appropriate [1]. It could probably do with a little copy-editing for style, but I can't see any reason to object to the content. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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