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Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2019

Nicki minaj has now sold 113 million records, not 60 million and she has 104 bb entries not 64 Nickiaccess (talk) 01:18, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

@Nickiaccess: What your source for the sales figures and chart entries? —C.Fred (talk) 01:54, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Riaa is the source for sales figures and billboard chart history is the source for her hot 100 entries Thulani Rams (talk) 16:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Missing films

While it is not a film, Nikki also voiced Sugilite on Steven Universe. I feel like this should be credited somewhere on her page KitKat930 (talk) 06:28, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2019

It would be best to change the photo of Nicki Minaj at the 2010 MTV awards to a more current photo because she does not associate herself with who she was back then. That photo is nearly a decade old and it would be best to have it changed promptly. L6kee (talk) 03:33, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: The image use policy is quite strict about the copyright status and licensing of images used in articles. The only other clear image that we currently have is form 2012, so its not much of an improvement. If you know of an image that you feel is more representative and fulfills the terms of the policy, please suggest it. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 04:24, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Wrong link in Legacy

In section Legacy, "00s" links to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0s and should link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_(decade) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Werty22 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Tekashi is Not an Associated Act

Ariana Young Money Drake and Lil Wayne have collaborated with her like a few dozen times. Starting from Bang Bang her and Grande teamed up five times.

But out of all of these associated act Tekashi only collaborated with her twice in MAMA and FEFE from the former's Dummy Boy long player. Three or more songs must qualify him as one of them.

So that means he should be deleted from that field. Yes Eminem teamed up with her once as well.

End of story,

47.16.146.238 (talk) 22:02, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:04, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Updated Image

Can her image be updated? There are recent professional photos that can be used like her recent ones from behind the scenes of Rupaul’s Drag Race television show in which she was a judge for one episode. Thank you. Leighbayley (talk) 07:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Leighbayley: you're more than welcome to upload a free image of the subject if you like. Thanks, —MelbourneStar☆^talk 08:07, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Citizenship, yet again

As I wrote in March 2019

I hate to bring this issue up again, but what evidence is there that that she is a US citizen? I found myself wondering, and while I can find her saying she entered the US an an "illegal immigrant",[1] and that (in 2012) she wasn't registered to vote and "Minaj may not even be a US citizen"[2] I can't find anything that says she is a US citizen at all. And while the message conveyed by the hashtag is ambiguous, #TaxPayerButIcantVote implies that she isn't a US citizen. (Of course, it may just be a statement of solidarity with "resident aliens".) We know she's a TT citizen by birth. Saying that she isn't one still, or that she is an American, seems like a violation of SYNTH.

I haven't seen any new sources that demonstrate otherwise. This is a BLP, we have an obligation to get it right. Guettarda (talk) 03:19, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

MTE. The lead should only say Trinidadian. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 23:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Frankly, though she isn’t registered to vote (yet endorsed Cuomo last year oddly), she could very well be lying as she does about many things. For someone who has toured internationally for a decade, it’s extremely unlikely that she isn’t a US citizen because, well, that wouldn’t legally be possible. ⌚️ (talk) 00:14, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Trinidadian-American (?) But still no source that refers to her as American citizen. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 00:24, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

For someone who has toured internationally for a decade, it’s extremely unlikely that she isn’t a US citizen because, well, that wouldn’t legally be possible - Of course it's possible, permanent residents can travel. That doesn't make her American - I'm not. Regardless, it's all speculative. And we can't speculate in a BLP - we need sources. Guettarda (talk) 01:54, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Unlike 21 Savage whose red flags were hiding in plain sight, nothing in her biography gives the inclination that she never became a citizen (especially working so many jobs which, after 2001, required two forms of legal identification). Almost all reliable sources refer to her as an American rapper. It can be left as Trinidadian-born to maintain prudence but it just feels like everyone is resorting to synth based on a tweet about politics. (For what it’s worth, I think the “I came here illegally” aspect was based on that her mother was on a student visa at the time.) ⌚️ (talk) 04:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

especially working so many jobs which, after 2001, required two forms of legal identification - This is speculation. The truth is that millions of undocumented immigrants do work, so speculating about someone's immigrant status on those grounds isn't just speculative, it's also at odds with the facts.

But I'm not saying she's an undocumented immigrant currently, though it's clear that she was one. As for having been one - she's pretty clear that her mother went to the US first (I believe on a work visa) and then she went up later, on a tourist visa. That's pretty common. I assume she regularised her status thereafter, but that's just an assumption. But again, you don't need to be a US citizen to work legally or to travel. I'm not a US citizen, I can't justifiably be called an American, but I've been a legal permanent resident since 2004. I can hold any job except those specifically reserved for US citizens (which are mainly government jobs). Legal permanent residents must pay taxes, but can't vote, can't be drafted, can't serve on a jury. Based on what she has said this is a far more parsimonious explanation. But regardless, it's unknown. We can only make claims in a BLP that we can document. We can document her nationality at birth. We can't document her current citizenship. Guettarda (talk) 14:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

The Patriot Act is not speculation. Least of all in New York state. ⌚️ (talk) 15:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Please don't insert comments that break up my signed comments. Your claim that only US citizens are able to work in the US is simply absurd. Guettarda (talk) 23:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

At what point did I say the words “only” US citizens could work here? Now you’re just reaching. I clearly said, a person who has had so many jobs, had to have two forms of identification when the law changed (not an opinion) which inherently indicates that at the very least she was a documented immigrant let alone most likely a citizen by then. LaGuardia High School doesn’t even enroll foreign nationals. At any rate, if you care so much the place a hidden note by it. ⌚️ (talk) 23:53, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2020

Hello, I would like to change Onika Tanya Maraj display picture on Wikipedia, this is an old picture and she looks totally different from now. I promise to not break the rules and use a suitable picture for Onika Tanya Maraj Aka. Nicki Minaj. Firstbarb (talk) 22:01, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Firstbarb: Which picture are you suggesting? We can't evaluate your change if we can't see the picture. —C.Fred (talk) 22:02, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Lead image

I've noticed that Minaj's lead image has been changed persistently. So i have decided to make a voting

¿Which image do you choose?

• 
  Option A
• 
  Option B
• Option C
  Option C
• 
  Option D (current photo)

• Option C. -- Happypillsjr ✉ 05:44, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

• C. Good quality, and she's looking at the camera which I prefer on a BLP. – DarkGlow (talk) 17:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

There’s a few parts missing.

Hello guys so i noticed that after on Minaj article where it says 10 Grammy nominations that Minaj’s record of earning over 100 Million record sold was deleted. We have to fix that due to the fact that Minaj is one of the worlds best selling artist and has sold over 100 Million Records and the impact should also be labeled as a legacy now Ahshion1 (talk) 19:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ahshion1: What reliable source says she sold 100 million records? —C.Fred (talk) 19:17, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

According to Chart Data, the Queen rapper has officially sold 100 million units across her albums, singles and features as certified by the Recording Industry Association of America, becoming the first female rapper to do so. And also she worth 100 million the first female rapper to achieve that should be added as well Ahshion1 (talk) 20:26, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Nicki Minaj 100 million units* (8.5 million of which are albums) Chart data is a very reliable source  Ahshion1 (talk) 20:28, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Update image

Can someone update the cover photo to a much recent image? MeriiEdits (talk) 17:54, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:IMAGEPOL. Wikipedia can almost always only use public domain images or free-content images. We can't just lift/copy/steal a photo off the internet. If someone else owns the image - unless they release their rights - Wikipedia cannot use that image. Wikipedia takes copyright issues very seriously plus "Images with any license restricting commercial use or the creation of derivative works may not be used on Wikipedia." Shearonink (talk) 18:58, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree a more recent picture should be put up. And also why is hard getting a licenced picture for use. Just update the picture. LondiweDoyi (talk) 10:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Why won’t her picture get updated? Ahshion1 (talk) 20:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

There's discussion underway to determine consensus for the lead image. —C.Fred (talk) 21:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 May 2020

I would like to change the picture of Nicki Minaj to the newest picture of her or change it to the better picture. the current picture is outdated photos of her HarrySayNo (talk) 14:18, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done @HarrySayNo: The image chosen is based on licensing permission and quality, it is not always about which one is most recent. Trillfendi (talk) 14:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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The First Female Rapper

Nicki Minaj inspired many girls around the whole world to be like her.She is known as the first female rapper to ever be successful in the rapping world.Not necessarily the first but she dominated after struggling with her acting career.She was loved world wide Mbali Pheeha (talk) 12:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Mbali Pheeha: That claim seems patently false. See Lil' Kim, MC Lyte, Queen Latifah, etc. —C.Fred (talk) 17:35, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Is Queen Latifah,Lil Kim from South Jamaica?? Mbali Pheeha (talk) 19:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Mbali Pheeha: I don't see how that's relevant to this article. —C.Fred (talk) 19:52, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

That's true Nkosiyaphamollllly (talk) 18:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2020

2600:8804:8040:11D:747D:9484:BABE:B07B (talk) 09:48, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

became the queen of rap in 2007. she later resized in 2020 but soon after came back

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --TheImaCow (talk • contribs) 10:57, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2020

Cookie1270$$$$ (talk) 15:26, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Change her name to Onika maraj williams

Onika Tanya Maraj-Williams Cookie1270$$$$ (talk) 15:29, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Shearonink (talk) 15:48, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I do agree that a source is required also the current source given for the first sentence in the lead does not cover her real name where she was born or her date of birth so that is an issue.. —DanTheMusicMan2 (talk) 11:45, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2020

Nicki announced her pregnancy with her first child on 20th July 2020 Reecepteward (talk) 15:50, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @Reecepteward: Per what published source? —C.Fred (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Public Image section

Hello Cornerstonepicker, I'm not sure why you reversed my edits; they were all pertinent and verified/sourced statements. Just for your perusal, here is a short list of related articles that do not classify as "encyclopedic" using your logic and would also be up for removal.

Article Name

Relation to your comment

Beatlemania Deadhead Juggalo Parrothead Kiss Army Madonna wannabe Moonwalkers Stan_Twitter#Memes_and_terminology Internet slang

"nothing encyclopedic about her fans being called 'barbz'" "nothing encyclopedic about her fans being called 'barbz'" "nothing encyclopedic about her fans being called 'barbz'" "nothing encyclopedic about her fans being called 'barbz'" "nothing encyclopedic about her fans being called 'barbz'" "nothing encyclopedic about her fans being called 'barbz'" "nothing encyclopedic about her fans being called 'barbz'" "nothing encyclopedic about...the phrases they use on twitter" "nothing encyclopedic about...the phrases they use on twitter"

Dosafrog (talk) 22:57, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Occupation For Nicki Minaj

Can anybody here please change Nicki Minaj's occupation to "rapper, singer, songwriter, actress, and model"? (not the occupations in the infobox) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.248.162.111 (talk) 20:23, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2020

Hi, I think you guys should add an Accomplishment section. Including things like Starships being the biggest female rap song of all time in pure sales, Nicki being the first artist to ever have 7 simountaneosluy charting singles on the hot 100, First female rapper to spend over 1500 weeks on the Hot 100+200 charts, Being the female with the 2nd most consecutive weeks charting in Billboard history, Having the first female rap collab to go #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 (Say SO), First Female Rapper to debut on top of the Digital Sales Chart, First Feamale Rapper with a Best Selling Single of all time (Starships), First Female Rap album to spend over 100 weeks on the Billboard 200 Chart (pink Print), First Artist to have a #1 on all Billboards Main Charts, Biggest Solo debut Album debut week (375k, Pink Friday), Most Worldwide #1 songs for a Female Rapper, Longest #1 in Billboard Argentina (Tusa), One of the Highest Selling Latin Collabs of all time (Tusa), Highest Selling Female Collab (Bang Bang), Creating the Vevo Record (Stupid Hoe), Most Awarded Female Rapper, First Female to surpass 100 million certified Units, Highest Grossing Female Rap tour (PinkPrint), Highest Grossing Female Rap Tour Artist. https://twitter.com/MARAJLOOKS/status/1301233265081188355 I checked all of these on Billboards Website and the Billboard Data on Wikipedia and theyre all correct. Camilleparker03 (talk) 01:32, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: There already is an "Awards and nominations" section and much of this is already mentioned in the text. If there is a specific item that you think is missing and for which you can provide a reliable source, please create a new request. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:39, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Impact

Nicki Minaj made and still has a big impact on the music industry and even on the outside. Before she became a rapper, there was a drought. No female rappers were around and then, BOOM Onika Maraj. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:131F:C4A5:6C05:C9D8:B8F4:B4D6 (talk) 12:54, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Picture

Ngl yall could have chosen a completely different picture for nicki this one just aint it Dojascopes (talk) 21:39, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Ha!True that Nocles (talk) 23:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nocles @Dojascopes I agree but its just finding the right picture with Creative Commons Licence. I didn't choose this picture personally but there aren't any recent ones with Licence. Maybe this era something will come up! Maxwell King123321 00:25, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

U better Nocles (talk) 21:14, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

"Nicki Yamaguchi" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Nicki Minaj is a Mother of 1

Her baby boy Simba Petty — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6080:6C08:2CB3:CD30:881C:F44D:2606 (talk) 01:01, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Who is his father and does nicki scared of cardi b because cardi b looks like a piece of cake for me 👁️‍🗨️ Yashimambet (talk) 10:29, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Nicki has a new website, please add it

nickiminajqueen.com Noone778899 (talk) 00:39, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Nicki Minaj The Queen Of Rap

Nicki minaj is the queen of rap,singer and a model she is beautiful and she looks like a teenager 😍.Cardi B is interested in Nicki minaj but she wanted to make people say like she is the queen but it's Nicki Minaj 😘😍 so fans of cardi b you are in big trouble 😅✌️ Yashimambet (talk) 20:22, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Exactly Rrrr E-jay Jordan (talk) 19:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2021

The section Musical Style, in Artistry contains the following sentence: "She collaborated with other artists, producing more electronic songs: "The Boys" with singer Cassie and "Beauty and a Beat" with Justin Bieber.[231]" The word "producing" is misleading as she is not credited as a producer on either of the songs in question, so it should be changed, possibly to "releasing" or another word with similar meaning. Morzenmebs (talk) 08:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done I've edited as follows: "She collaborated with other artists, producing which led to more electronic songs: "The Boys" with singer Cassie and "Beauty and a Beat" with Justin Bieber." —C.Fred (talk) 19:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Philanthropy

Under occupation it should be noted she is also a philanthropist as she has helped/donated to a lot of worthy causes — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeaBiscuit159 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2021

Diegobackyard292 (talk) 22:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I would like you to unprotect this page

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2021

The picture for nicki minajs page needs to be changed because it’s a low quality screenshot from a meme video off of twitter when there are MULTIPLE other photos taken of her at the specific event used, the 2018 VMAs. Onikasavior (talk) 12:01, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

You can google the same event and find way better high quality pictures of her, better yet use her most recent photos? Weird behavior and makes wikipedia look like haters. Onikasavior (talk) 12:02, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

The picture needs the be free of copyright issues, that's why the current one is used. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Nicki has 19 Top 10 hits

And that is an indisputable fact that has a reference and everything, and it's TRUE, yet user:cornerstonepicker has been constantly removing lines that show Nicki's success, and this editor has been accused of vandalism and bias towards Cardi in the past!! Jobless much?? Redandvidya (talk) 08:59, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

@Redandvidya: I just checked the source you used for the addition, and I see neither 19 top-10 hits nor that she's the female rapper with the most. —C.Fred (talk) 17:46, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Is there a source that says she has the most top-10 hits of all female rappers? Pinging Green WU for input here. —C.Fred (talk) 18:32, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

I haven’t found one but I only looked briefly for the other one. I’ll remove that end part for now then but keep the first part as the reference backs it up. Green WU (talk) 18:35, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Restored that part with a reference. Green WU (talk) 18:52, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Consistent vandalism by cornerstonepicker with clear bias- let's get into it

New-ish user here: noticed that Cornerstonepicker regularly edits Nicki's article with clear bias and intent of discrediting her reputation and adding details about her personal life that aren't needed- and then also removing any adding of controversies (of which there are many) on the Cardi B article.

This user has been accused of negative edits towards Minaj in July 2020 and no action was taken, but there is still a clear display of negative edits towards Minaj clearly aimed at discrediting and/or removing stuff from her articles. He may claim that he has "no bias" and "is only doing it for the sake of the article" but there's a clear, consistent track record for months that again remove stuff such as Nicki's other talents and skills (acting,), and sourcing ONE ARTICLE as basis for adding allegations about Nicki's husband. And yet, when I add multipled sourced edits about Cardi's allegations of transphobia which have been commented on by verified trans celebrities, namely being Angelica Ross and Laverne Cox, it's removed only by him under the label of """gossip""".

This user has probably edited Minaj's articles hundreds of times obviously to discredit Minaj's achievements for months now. I do a positive edit about Minaj's Top 19 hits- it's either reworded to make it sound less flattering or removed entirely.

Yes, to answer the question, I am a fan of Minaj- but the only reason that I had even started editing this article was because again multiple bad faith edits by cornerstonepicker who's already been alleged, with evidence to be editing Minaj's article and adding negative connotations MULTIPLE times. And to say that there is no bias is in bad faith because again, the edits speak for themselves.

I propose that this user be blocked from editing any and all Minaj related articles, and that any details about the adding of the investigation going around her husband be fully discussed in another section. I may be a newbie to Wikipedia, but I checked policy and it seems that the talk section has been the best way to "expose" it all, I suppose. Redandvidya (talk) 13:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I believe my latest edit summary explains it. First, you're not new, you've been editing since 2019. Second, your edit summaries expose the kind of fan you are, and with what intention you come:

• • 14:21, 31 October 2020 diff hist +115‎ m Anaconda (Nicki Minaj song) ‎ edited for grammar. stan nicki
  • 03:06, 29 November 2020 diff hist −125‎ m Trollz (song) ‎ bardi stans stay mad, unnecessary detail that's clearly biased
  • 09:17, 9 March 2021 diff hist +395‎ m Nicki Minaj ‎ chart data has been used as a source before so cardistonepicker don't come for me bestie

(chartdata isn't a source)

Curious how in the week that Mrajtingzz (talk · contribs), RomanMinajZ (talk · contribs), Agsggshhs (talk · contribs) came and vandalized several articles, then blocked, with others IPs, you came posting that kind of stuff, and removing content that another user reworked. There's nothing else to add here. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 14:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly why I said "Yes I am a fan of Minaj," and when I was a noob I DID add those types of edit summaries until I was told to be more clear-cut and constructive by an admin. And while I've been editing since 2019. I only learned the use of talk pages and wikipedia culture recently- I just used to make edits and then not care. The issue is you're citing my own edits as if that's definitive proof that I have a bias towards Minaj- when I already stated that so long ago, when again you have almost the same bias towards Cardi And no, I don't know who those other accounts are, but maybe think about it for a bit- why do Nicki stans from twitter (at least, their usernames makes them look like it) keep coming and editing this article? It's because you consistently remove her achievements, net worth, mentions about her becoming the most awarded female rapper, and in the same breath add inaccurate stuff about the investigation that has been reverted multiple times for MONTHS now which makes you look super sus.

Also, why do you say that "you're not a new user, you've been editing since 2019" and in the same breath say "you're a troll, vandalizing this article" How could both of those things be true at the same time? Stop acting in bad faith and saying that you aren't biased towards Cardi when the evidence that goes back for months clearly says otherwise. Redandvidya (talk) 16:49, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Recent changes

I'm explaining it here since there's an user actively removing sourced content with misleading edit summaries:

• The claim: "she became the first female rapper to amass a net worth of $100 million making her the richest female rapper in history." Both sources use the Twitter account @YoungMoneySite as source, which is WP:Unreliable.
• The The Daily Beast interview sentence was re-worked by another user, yet it was removed without explanation twice.
• The claim: "The album was a commercial success globally" in the intro fails WP:SYNT and WP:POV: who reached that conclusion?
• The claim "Queen was a success internationally and became one of the best selling digital albums in China of all time." also fails WP:SYNT and WP:POV, uses another Wikipedia article as source, and fails numerical summarization WP:SYNTHNOT "SYNTH is not numerical summarization".
• The claim: "She is the most awarded female rapper in history" both sources cited uses her own Instagram post, where she makes that claim, as source, which is WP:Unreliable.

I hope the guidelines are easy to understand. cc: Redandvidya (talk · contribs)

Cornerstonepicker (talk) 07:24, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Fine. I'll be adding sources to each and every one of these, and removing those with lack of sources. In the meantime, leave the Nicki article alone. Time and time again, your obvious bias against Nicki Minaj has been shown, and your edits show that you are actively attempting to deny her impact in the female rap industry, period.

You have shown nothing but a clear edit agenda towards Minaj with edits for months now, period. Please stop acting like you are impartial. Wikipedia Policy: Adovacy

LEAVE the article alone and maybe I won't have to edit it so much to be accurate to her impact. I have debunked multiple times your claims that I am trolling, or "messing" around with the article, so to speak, and responded with proof of your edit bias and confusing unrelated edits- The "Queen of Rap" part has been sourced multiple times, I added five references, and yet you removed it. Suspicious.

Leave the article alone. Redandvidya (talk) 08:17, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

First, what is false: all my edits have been properly sourced (with REALIABLE sources). Second of all, there's no ownership. Third, you fail to realize there's guidelines: you keep ignoring WP:SYNT and WP:POV. "was a commercial success globally..." is a WP:SYNT. Who said that? Who reached that conclusion? Also, failing to realize that adding more sources that cite her own Instagram post and own words does not make it reliable, it fails Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_sources. Same thing happens with the net worth claim, all cite a tweet from an unreliable source. Use professional publications for net worth claims. Btw, for example, I saw the mention of "most top 10s" and I reworked it and leave it there, because it is properly sourced. I'm not removing anything that is properly sourced. I hope you understand the difference. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 09:39, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

What are you talking about?? I assumed that you meant this about the Roman Reloaded sales in the main bio, which I removed the globally part but ADDED CITATIONS ON IT BEING A COMMERCIAL SUCESSS because it debuted at No.1 on Billboard 200 and added so many references to that.

Nicki having the most Hot 100 entries was sources with FOUR DIFFERENT REFERENCES, THREE from Billboard, and you remove it. This literally shows your agenda against Nicki for months! And it's not just me, because several other users have shown nothing but proof of your favoritism towards Cardi. Leave the article alone and stop trying to CLEARLY discredit SOURCED edits on her impact as the QUEEN OF RAP. I will frankly read up on WP:Synt and POV, because again as I stated, even though you tried to deny it, that I am a new user to Wikipedia and have to get familiar with certain policies.

HOWEVER, It doesn't justify you undoing the Hot 100 entries edit, as I sourced that from Billboard themselves, three times, and again it literally shows your edit bias against Nicki. I disagree with "I'm not removing anything that is properly sourced." I sourced Billboard on the entries achievement, and you still removed it. You vandalize her article with inaccurate and unusual details against her husband, Then cry wolf when I add details about Cardi's repeated transphobia, which I also sourced official publications on and had statements of trans celebrities themselves. It's not vandalism or gossip, it's just at the same scale on what you're doing to Nicki. I try my best to properly source everything I do. Redandvidya (talk) 09:57, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Redandvidya (talk · contribs) This: https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/9503522/taylor-swift-15-songs-evermore-hot-100/. The record was surpassed in December 2020. Please, read the article. This article does mention this. Here:

"...The record was later surpassed by Taylor Swift in 2020.[158]"

Also, saying "Commercial success, global commercial success" is WP:PEACOCK. Avoid that synt. Let the numbers speak for themselves.

Cornerstonepicker (talk) 09:59, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Edit the article to fit the guidelines you so choose, but by COMPLETELY UNDOING IT you are again showing your agenda against Nicki! The Hot 100 entries have been clearly sourced, she broke that record period, and you have an ulterior motive to do it: discrediting her success. The Platinum certification literally IS numbers speaking for themselves, and you still removed it! Yes, I may be a noobie to Wikipedia and policy, but several users have literally said that you're being biased against Nicki by removing her achievements, with proof, time and time again. Am currently reading SYNTH and POV and the ACHIEVEMENTS that I am adding no longer violate that (I deleted the net worth due to conflicting sources) and stated that Roman Reloaded had positive reviews which is FACT. Redandvidya (talk) 10:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Redandvidya (talk · contribs)I'm not. calm down. The record, though outdated per https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/chart-beat/9503522/taylor-swift-15-songs-evermore-hot-100/ link is mentioned in the article; not erased. Btw, according to AnyDecentMusic (official source) it receive Mixed reviews, and you wrote positives (?). Cornerstonepicker (talk) 10:19, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I highly doubt that. There's a reason several people have doubted your motives when editing articles about Nicki or mentioning Nicki. Redandvidya (talk) 10:31, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Redandvidya: You're free to doubt whatever you want. Until you actually find a suitable source which contradicts AnyDecentMusic, we cannot say it receives positive reviews. Nil Einne (talk) 04:59, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

References

Two number ones within the same timeframe

According to my calculations, Nicki is the only female rapper AT ALL to score both her first number one, namely being Say So, and her second, Trollz, in the shortest time period (six weeks.) However, I can't find a news article that states this fact. Would anyone like to help me find an article mentioning this? Thank you <3 Redandvidya (talk) 09:04, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2021

Insert the following after the first paragraph of section "Impact":

Additionally, Nicki Minaj has been praised for subverting a variety of traditional norms in both hip hop and queer spaces. Nicki Minaj’s almost calculated ambiguous sexuality upsets heteronormativity by not conforming to the archetypes of female rappers and being vaguely queer in her performance persona while also challenging homonormativity by being a Black woman who does not subscribe to stereotypical lesbian relationship tropes. Minaj was able to further disrupt homonormativity in her use of camp fashion. Originally, camp was dominated by white gay men; therefore, Nicki Minaj as a Black, heterosexual woman did not fit the stereotypical mold. However, even as she has diverged from her original fashion sense, Nicki Minaj was able to develop her own style of fashion and performance (nicki-aesthetics) that provides an intersection between Blackness and camp that did not exist previously.

Classassignment2023 (talk) 07:10, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Second paragraph: A student's own publication is not a reliable source. Try to use professional music magazines. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 07:11, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I have refactored your requested edit to make it more readable. ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 11:36, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Please get consensus for the edit before opening an edit request. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:27, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

References

Anaconda 1b views lead?

I think that for this article, it is relevant to put her name as the first woman to reach 1b views in the lead, because I think this achievement is on the same level as the 100 hot 100 entries- however, reading up on policy for lead stuff, I think it makes more sense to condense it. So instead of in "in 2021 minaj reached 1 billion views with anaconda" it would be

"She is the first female rapper to reach one billion views on a solo female rap music video, with Anaconda on VEVO."

Therefore it condenses the information, fit for the lead. Any thoughts? Ty Redandvidya (talk) 23:06, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't see the need for it in the lead, unless their is significant coverage of it to indicate it is an important part of her career. It is just one of many many achievements she has reached. WikiVirusC^(talk) 00:22, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't see any need either; leads are meant for achievements that are record breaking or perhaps a one-off achievement (such as surpassing 100 Billboard entires or debuting at number, etc). Definitely feels better to keep it in the achievements section. This page is becoming so much better keep up the good work everyone! Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 00:51, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Sidenote, we should find another source. Currently the source says More impressively, the video becomes the video by a solo female rapper to achieve this.. I know what they meant to say, "video becomes the first", but until they update it should find another source. Also should probably remove the "only" from first and only, since while its true, it isn't said in source. WikiVirusC^(talk) 01:49, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Done! Will look for a better source in the meantime. Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 02:52, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Reaching a billion views was a major feat in 2012, but isn’t that particularly groundbreaking in 2021. Or vice versa. Trillfendi (talk) 06:36, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Trillfendi: She's the first female solo rapper to accomplish this. That's the groundbreaking accomplishment. Besides Anaconda Minaj has plenty of 1B videos (Swalla, Bang Bang, Side to Side, etc) Redandvidya (talk) 10:02, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Doesn't the fact she has multiple billion view videos make it even less important overall. While yes it can have its own significance as "solo" song, it's one of many over a billion. WikiVirusC^(talk) 13:27, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

I think that because she's the first female rapper that makes it a big accomplishment; considering now there has been a rise in female rap - for example on Cardi B they highlight that she has the most number one singles for a female rapper when she hasn't got the most overall - if that makes sense. Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 23:02, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Highest selling female rapper of all time

Nicki is the best selling female rapper of all time with 100M records https://www.wehiphop.com/nicki-minaj-is-one-of-the-highest-selling-artists-ever/ The source is protected to evit online attacks but it's still a reliable source Moonlight Entm (talk) 14:38, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Source is broken sorry. Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 12:55, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2021

Can you add that she is one of the greatest lyrical rappers of her time 84.217.56.68 (talk) 21:14, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. We need to know who gave her that title. —C.Fred (talk) 21:16, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Further

cc Redandvidya

• ASCAP only rewards ASCAP members, not BMI members. Both house songwriters and publishers and only rewards their own: check the list of recipients.
• "Proved her worldwide appeal" fails WP:FANCRUFT and WP:PEACOCK, as does "a major hit". The same paragraph had awkwardly written "100 entries" three times.
• The professional Review aggregators for scores and claims are Metacritic and AnyDecentMusic. Use their Synthesis for those claims; according to them, for example, The Pinkprint received favorable reviews, not acclaim.
• The nickname taking issue with WP:GLOBAL is the same reason why Swift, Bieber, Grande, and several male rappers don't have that kind of titles in the lead section, even tho sources can be found. Even Gaga doesn't have it in her lead section. And Gaga is, for example, another case of too soon for Legacy decision. This is in order to be fair to these articles, and not overlook these cases.

Cornerstonepicker (talk) 06:53, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

There is no wikipedia policy that states against having nicknames about their careers, and in this case, Minaj has been called the queen of rap for 10 years now To use your own logic, Cardi is called one of the most influential female rappers "of all time", yet she's only had a career for 3-4 years. By that logic, anyone should be able to remove that, yet you would probably revert that since you seem to have a pattern to remove all edits on any articles that you apparently don't like. Huh. Redandvidya (talk) 08:08, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

"Queen of Rap" title

Nicki Minaj has been referred to as the Queen of Rap for 10+ years now, and therefore, in my opinion, deserves to have that honorific title in her lead.

Source: 1. Rolling Stone - https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/nicki-minaj-the-new-queen-of-hip-hop-103304/ 2. V Magazine - https://vmagazine.com/article/the-rise-and-rise-of-nicki-minaj/

These are several year old articles. The Rolling Stone one is from 2010 and the V Magazine one is from 2013. Both reputable sources, stating her as the Queen of Rap / Queen of Hip Hop. Also worth noting that the "Queen of Rap" title has been in the Impact section for months before it was moved to the lead. The talk page is used for a consensus among editors, so please state below if you AGREE or DISAGREE on the inclusion of the honorific title of "Queen of Rap" in her title. Thank you. Redandvidya (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

@Redandvidya: I agree. It seems this article is always edited by a certain someone with a clear agenda and WP:BIAS. Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 12:30, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

NATIONALITY

Voice4People (talk) 23:39, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Why is there a significant amount of people who keep on adding “American” to her nationality? Nicki Minaj was BORN in Trinidad to both parents being Born and Raised in Trinidad as well. Her entire family is from Trinidad, which makes her 100% Trini (Trinidadian). It is understood that she migrated to New York at an early age, but this does not make her “American”. Her heritage, culture, background, and birthplace is all TRINIDADIAN. She was RAISED by TWO TRINIDADIAN Parents in Queens, New York— which is a very Caribbean/West Indian influenced Borough/City as well, so adding “American” to her biography is irrational and unnecessary, being as nobody is even aware if she has American citizenship or not. Just because she left Trinidad around the age of 5, does not make her any less Trinidadian or any more American! Please stop the confusion! Wiki1Voice2 (talk) 14:27, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Voice4People and Wiki1Voice2 have now been indef blocked. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:51, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

she’s not 100% trini. she’s japanese, trini, and indian Queenofrapisnickiminaj1281982 (talk) 16:58, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

@Queenofrapisnickiminaj1281982: That is an extraordinary claim. Please provide strong sourcing that shows she holds all of those passports. Remember, we're talking nationality or citizenship, not ethnic heritage. —C.Fred (talk) 19:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

ah. ok was confused Queenofrapisnickiminaj1281982 (talk) 21:19, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Nicky Minaj is Trinidadian American - she was born in Trinidad, and raised in the United States from the age of 5. She would have been enculterated in the cultures of both countries.

I agree, I think her nationality should just be left at Trinidadian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeaBiscuit159 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

NM5

Would it be appropriate to discuss her upcoming album? Or wait for more information — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeaBiscuit159 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Not in the lead nor career. We would need to wait until there are good sources that the album is finished and/or the album is being released. Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 10:38, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs has an RFC

Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs has an RFC for the use of radio station/networks' playlists being cited in articles. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Heartfox (talk) 00:01, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Nicki Minaj networth

Her net worth is actually 85mill^* Oklol4833 (talk) 05:17, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

@Oklol4833: What reliable source is reporting that? —C.Fred (talk) 15:22, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Lead sentence guideline

Previously, the lead sentence described Minaj as "a rapper, singer, actress, model, philanthropist and businesswoman", however, the in the NYT article citation given, she is described as a rapper and pop star. I have changed the lead sentence to follow the citation given.

Please note that at MOS:BLPLEAD, the guideline on roles in lead sentences in BLPs states:

The lead sentence should describe the person as they are commonly described in reliable sources.

The noteworthy position(s) or role(s) the person held should usually be stated in the opening paragraph. However, avoid overloading the lead paragraph with various and sundry roles; instead, emphasize what made the person notable. Incidental and non-noteworthy roles (i.e. activities that are not integral to the person's notability) should usually not be mentioned in the lead paragraph.

Only include roles that are "integral to the person's notability", what the person is known for. Also, the formulation of roles in the lead sentence should following how the person is "commonly described in reliable sources". Do not change the lead sentence to include roles, unless you can show that the person is commonly described in such a fashion.

LK (talk) 05:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

This source from the Britannica states that Minaj is a television personality, singer-songwriter, and actress. As it is a reputable source, I will promptly readd those titles to her lead. Plus no one in their right mind calls Nicki a pop singer HELP Redandvidya (talk) 22:31, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Looks good to me. But do note, the NYT calls her a "pop-star", so I guess they are not in their right minds. ;-) LK (talk) 00:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Lead para...

...is far too long. It's meant to be a summary. Most of the third and fourth paragraphs are lists of chart placings and awards; this is detail and belongs in the career section. Black Kite (talk) 09:36, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree, and will promptly edit the lead to fit the "summary", while still keeping the main achievements (honorific nickname of Queen of Rap for 10+ years, first female rapper to debut at #1) intact. It shouldn't be that hard. Redandvidya (talk) 00:05, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Black Kite: Update: I did some cleaning up on the lead's structure and I think it's okay now. Any thoughts? Redandvidya (talk) 03:12, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Looks good to me now. I'm going to remove the template from the top of the page. LK (talk) 03:10, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2021

To remove the dubbed queen of rap Crazyj575 (talk) 03:43, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: current reliable sources state this. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ _Talk 04:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

LLC in career section

pinging Redandvidya.

There are multiple reasons why I shortened the "LLC" paragraph in this article.

• You don't need all that (as I specified in my edit summary)
• "non-single track" is redundant when you could just say "track" and the former was clearly added to add emphasis to the fact that a non-single went number one
• You really could have at least put "LLC" in quotations
• "skyrocketed" is not encyclopedic language
• You attributed a quote (which didn't need to be there at all) when the article being used as a source already appears to be reliable.
• "making Queen the only album by a female rapper with the most number one iTunes hits in US iTunes history." girl...? that doesn't even make sense?

I'm changing it back to my version. versacespaceleave a message! 02:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Being specific is never a bad thing, plus for some reason you also removed the fact that she is coming back on May 14th? I can see the faults in my grammar, but there's no need for this sass. Per the Affinity Mag tweet, the source literally says "‘Queen’ is now the album by a female rapper with the most #1 hits in US iTunes history." I just copied from that source. Also, one thing that bothers me is that you don't state why LLC went #1 on iTunes on the first place, so there's not important context... Reverting to my version, with edits. Redandvidya (talk) 07:07, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

@Redandvidya: the reason i removed her comeback is because you sourced it exclusively to a tweet. you cannot possibly make all that up from a tweeted photo with the caption "FRIDAY". that's not allowed. she never says what will happen on Friday, so you can't create an explanation. the supplemented source is okay, however. the "LLC" section is fine now. versacespaceleave a message! 11:12, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

picture

can we change her picture to a better picture ? Yzyhill (talk) 10:17, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

@Yzyhill: Yes, we can, if we can find a suitable picture that is better and agree to it through discussion. The picture must be under a free license. It absolutely cannot be a press photo, and it almost certainly cannot be taken from Minaj's social media. —C.Fred (talk) 12:43, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

I would like to change the picture to a better one MorekolodiGee (talk) 18:00, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

@MorekolodiGee: What free picture are you proposing? —C.Fred (talk) 20:26, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

spelling

please correct "insception" to "inception" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.84.138.149 (talk) 14:32, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done I also reworded an awkward sentence in the same section. —C.Fred (talk) 17:15, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

2020-Present...?

You all may disagree, but because of this re-release doesn't it mean it's a new era. The last one was her collabs but now because of this release I feel like it's starting a new era — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeaBiscuit159 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Partners Section

Under Partner(s) change Nas (2018) to Nas (2017).

Also change Meek Mill (2014-2017) to Meek Mill (2014-2016) as they broke up on Nickis birthday trip in Turks & Caicos.

Additionally there are missing entries from here as well it should read:

Aaron "Tweety" (1996-1999)

Kenneth Petty (1999)

Safaree Samuels (2000-2014)

Meek Mill (2014-2016)

Nas (2017)

Quavo (2018)

Lewis Hamilton (2018) 2601:153:981:35C0:9097:91F3:E9C3:69F3 (talk) 20:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ― Qwerfjkl | 𝕋𝔸𝕃𝕂  (please use {{reply to|Qwerfjkl}} on reply) 20:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Aaron & Kenny in the 90s was detailed in Queen Radio Episode 14 TMZ and Nicki both confirmed her and Meek broke up during her birthday weekend Nas & Nicki dated from May - December 2017 Quavo and Nicki dated from April - June 2018 Lewis Hamilton and Nicki dated from September - November 2018 Nicki and Kenny have been together since November 22nd, 2018 Jakewainright (talk) 21:16, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Stop reverting the image for no reason

@Saucenoappetizer:

Please stop vandalizing the lead article and reverting it back to an old image without stating why in your edit summaries. I have reason to believe you are even a real human, because there is literally nothing about you on your user page. Redandvidya (talk) 00:30, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

When you return from your current involuntary time out, you might want to reconsider making remarks like this. You've wrongly accused a user of vandalism, which in deliberately damaging Wikipedia, when it actuality they were removing your copyright violation. There is also no requirement of any kind for anyone to tell you anything at all about themselves on their userpage,or to even have one at all, so accusing them of not actually existing is frankly just petty and ridiculous. You need to slow down and start paying attention to the guidance more experienced users are trying to provide for you. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Nationality in related articles

I noticed the recent change from "Trinidadian-American" to "Trinidadian-born". While I don't object to it and understand the rationale behind it per the note, I would like to ask if this change should be carried over to other articles that relate to Nicki. As of the time I'm writing this:

• Nicki Minaj discography and the articles about her tours (Pink Friday Tour, Pink Friday: Reloaded Tour, The Pinkprint Tour, and The Nicki Wrld Tour) call her "Trinidadian-born", which is identical to the formulation used in the main Nicki Minaj article.
• All four album articles (Pink Friday, Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded, The Pinkprint, and Queen) call her "Trinidadian-born American", as does the article about her second mixtape Sucka Free.
• The article about her first mixtape Playtime Is Over calls her "Trinidadian-American".
• The article about her third mixtape Beam Me Up Scotty calls her "Trinidadian", without the suffix "-born".

It would probably be preferable if a unified descriptor were chosen for clarity and accuracy. Bizarre Bizarre^{Talk modern to me} 18:48, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2021

I would like to change her display picture and associated acts. Billietheperoxideprincess (talk) 21:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Billietheperoxideprincess: You'll need to suggest a free image to use to change the picture. For associated acts, you'll need to discuss and get consensus to include them. —C.Fred (talk) 22:52, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2021

Hello, I would like to add into Nicki Minaj's occupation section - Model - Nicki Minaj has signed with Wilhelmina Models' celebrity division along with other starts like Demi Lovato and Nick Jonas and she signed other major modeling contacts one of them is with Fendi, she has her own brand "Fendi Prints on" and on October 14th 2019, Nicki Minaj and Fendi released their first clothing collaboration. The full collection has sold out online in under a week, the collection is worth a total of over $10M. Firstbarb (talk) 01:43, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Firstbarb:  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.   melecie   t 01:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Queen of Rap moniker again

RogueShanghai, the majority of above commenters in Cornerstonepicker's RfC approve of the proposed lead section. I implemented it just now because of this approval majority. It does not contain any mention of the disputed Queen of Rap moniker, so if you want that in the lead section you will need to start your own RfC to gain consensus for it. The WP:ONUS is on you to convince others before it can be re-inserted. (Any disputed text remains OUT of the article until consensus forms to include it.) Binksternet (talk) 03:01, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Binksternet unsurprisingly, the lead section looks totally different than the RfC now. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 08:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I see that RogueShanghai has been changing it against consensus. I restored it. Binksternet (talk) 11:39, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Specificity of accolades

I noticed something about the lead that is highly irregular to me. Many featured articles, such as Mariah Carey, Katy Perry, and Lady Gaga, all have a section at the fourth paragraph detailing what specific awards or accolades the person has won:

• [Perry] has received various awards, including four Guinness World Records, five Billboard Music Awards, five American Music Awards, a Brit Award, and a Juno Award.
• [Gaga's] accolades include 12 Grammy Awards, 18 MTV Video Music Awards, 16 Guinness World Records, awards from the Songwriters Hall of Fame and the Council of Fashion Designers of America, and recognition as Billboard's Artist of the Year (2010) and Woman of the Year (2015).
• Carey has won five Grammy Awards, nineteen World Music Awards, ten American Music Awards, and fifteen Billboard Music Awards.

This seems to be consensus for a wide majority of articles about artists- I've only cited three examples of featured articles having this, but there should be much more. Why is it different when it comes to Nicki Minaj? My proposed change to the fourth paragraph would be:

• Minaj is one of the best selling female artists of all time with 100 million records sold worldwide. Her numerous accolades include eight American Music Awards, twelve BET Awards, four Billboard Music Awards, a Brit Award, five MTV Video Music Awards and a Guinness World Record. She was ranked as Billboard's top female rapper of the 2010s, as well as seventh among the top female artists of the decade.

Just to keep up with consensus. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"^{(talk to me!~)} 06:16, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Pinging @Binksternet, CAMERAwMUSTACHE, and MarioSoulTruthFan: for a third party's opinion "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"^{(talk to me!~)} 08:49, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

RogueShanghai, I don't think anyone can oppose this since such a sentence is pivotal to any WP:MUSICBIO, especially considering that Nicki is one of the most decorated artists of the last decade. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 08:56, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Seems fine, but I would stick to her biggest achievements awards' wise, therefore excluding the Brit Award and the Guinness one. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Katy Perry has also won a Brit Award. That is why I included it. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"^{(talk to me!~)} 04:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I don’t see why not, as long as we’re sticking with ones at the same level of notability as the Grammys such as the ones mentioned in the proposal and won’t be listing every single thing because that’s what the accolades article is for. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 13:10, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Minaj is notable for her usage of double entendres in her songwriting:

Mic: [Minaj is] an able wordsmith, and she often uses double meanings to pull off killer puns. [3]

Refinery29: Her use of the phrase “ganja burn” acts as a double entendre that illustrates how she is cutting out the negative things in her life.[4]

Billboard: The double entendre compares Nicki whippin’ her fast car to how a slave master would whip a slave to make them work faster.[5]

Entertainment Weekly: a double entendre that references her sold out MAC collection and drug dealing

This was mentioned in the lead, prior to the RfC. Can anyone make an important case for how Minaj is not notable for her usage of double entendres, and how this shouldn't be mentioned in the article? Be my guest. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"^{(talk to me!~)} 13:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Pinging @Binksternet, CAMERAwMUSTACHE, SunriseInBrooklyn, and MarioSoulTruthFan: for again, a third party's opinion if we can discuss adding this to the lead."Pop pills now we Shanghai!"^{(talk to me!~)} 05:41, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

k you're citing two sources that say she used double entendres in two album tracks. Then, Mic (not strong source) says she often uses it. But your argument says she's notable for using it, not the same, like you added it before the rfc. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 05:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Sir, this is Wikipedia, not your Twitter feed. There is no need for constant informal passive aggresiveness. If not "notable," then I think these sources prove that she at least uses double entendres often. "Pop pills now we Shanghai!"^{(talk to me!~)} 10:09, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Lots of artists use double-entendre. You need more explicit sourcing. Binksternet (talk) 12:55, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I agree. Double entendre is common in hip hop and a lot of artists use it, some better than others. While I personally think Minaj is definitely better at it based on some of her better bars, I’m not seeing the widespread coverage to make it lead-worthy. 3/4 of the sources provided above mention specific instances of double entendre, not her work as a whole. And again, double entendre is not unique to Minaj unlike her animated flow and versatility. And if it can be sourced I’d argue her use of accents such as British Cockney is a more unique and notable aspect of her rapping but she doesn’t do it as often now. CAMERAwMUSTACHE (talk) 13:10, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

I subscribe to CAMERAwMUSTACHE opinion, word by word. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:50, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

The Billboard article was an entire article about her best punchlines from the Queen album. There's many reliable articles like this:

Billboard: "Nicki Minaj's Best Punchlines From The 'Queen' Album"

And also, more articles covering her consistent usage of wordplay/double entendres/punchlines in her songwriting.

HotNewHipHop: A Guide To Nicki Minaj's Best Bars Of All Time

Complex: The 25 Best Nicki Minaj Verses

GQ: These Are the Best Nicki Minaj Verses

All of these articles from reliable sources break down her bars. Her songwriting is very much prominent and lead worthy, the question is what specific consensus can we get from these articles? shanghai.^{talk to me} 06:15, 27 August 2021 (UTC)