Talk:Nigerians in Japan

My edits to this page

Since YvelinesFrance repeatedly insists on deleting sourced material based on the flimsiest of excuses (like "The sources are not retrievable" when the sources are books printed on dead trees with working Google Books links in addition for people who are too lazy to go to the library, or newspaper articles saved at the Internet Archive), here is my detailed explanation of my recent edits:

1. "5,000 known immigrants" - no, not all foreigners in Japan are "immigrants", and the likelihood that there are "unknown" ones is extremely low. There is no reason for this phrasing. The previous phrasing "five thousand people" is fine. Unlike in Europe there is very little clandestine entry; MOJ statistics on people who arrived on tourist visas and never left tend to be quite accurate. Furthermore I have no idea why this user deletes the links to Nigeria and Japan in the lede, which are hardly WP:OVERLINKing for an article with direct relevance to both countries.
2. "They have been known to spike alcoholic drinks and rob their customers within their bars and clubs" - this is, at best, a grossly cherry-picked reading of the source cited, which actually says: "After speaking with several alleged victims and implicated club owners, reviewing documentation provided by both parties (credit card records in particular) and examining the police investigations that followed, I became convinced that while some drink-spiking did occur, most of the incidents that led to allegations of drink-spiking didn't involve anything criminal ... This version of events is supported by the frequency with which alleged victims' stories didn't match the narrative that emerged in press coverage of the incidents. Few woke up in a strange place without their wallets, and most could only cite an unusually severe hangover as evidence their drinks had been spiked, a common complaint in Roppongi, where even izakaya pubs often add hard liquor to the first few beers in unlimited drink packages." So I changed the phrasing to mention the incidents of spiked drinks without giving the false impression that this is a common mode of operation.
3. I also reinserted the deleted sentence reading "Many of the migrants working in this industry are in training for or have completed qualifications for professional positions such as engineering in institutions in their home countries or in Japan, but were unable to find any other kind of work in Japan suited to their level of education". This is directly supported by the source cited, which is perfectly well retrievable and states: "Furthermore, to the discredit of Ishihara's understandings, quite a few of the Africans are, in fact, highly educated, often in technical fields and engineering, mostly and colleges and universities in Africa, but also in some cases at those in Japan".

Regards, 61.18.190.206 (talk) 06:42, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Once again I have reverted the deletion of sourced material from an American academic publisher against YvelinesFrance's hilarious claim that it is "Nigerian propaganda". And now we have this gem: "Nigerian bar and club owners have been known to spike alcoholic drinks and rob their customers, and reports of such incidents have been verified by investigation". Yet another cherry-picked reading of the source from a user with a clear POV to push. 61.18.190.125 (talk) 23:47, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Odd removal because "No one in Japan, not even the Nigerians, cares about some criminal in Japan starving himself to death."

User "Eddienahui" in their own words ‎"Removed an irrelevant section. No one in Japan, not even the Nigerians, cares about some criminal in Japan starving himself to death. His death literally did not impact Japanese society at all - nor does it matter in the context of an article about an immigrant group in Japan. Probably an uppity sycophantic type added it because he wants there to be riotting in my home country - newsflash, American: The rest of the world does not care for your 'political' cult.undoTags" this is an odd justification to remove content at Wikipedia.

The content is well-sourced and discussed in major Japanese publications, the content is relevant because it specifically is about Japan's immigration policies towards Nigerians and the effect it had on an individual whose notability is based on issues faced by Nigerians in Japan. The rest of the comment seems to be a nationalistic rant that simply wants to censor content at the English-language Wikipedia to preserve harmony in Japan, this doesn't seem to make much sense either and reads more like political censorship than reasonable exclusion. --Donald Trung (talk) 07:03, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Also, the section clearly indicates that his death was controversial and caused a debate in Japan that was discussed by the Japanese government leading to legal changes, this is the opposite of the claim that "His death literally did not impact Japanese society at all". If you remove all information that contradicts with your opinions then obviously nothing will contradict with your claims because it's no longer included. This is classic censorship for the sake of censorship. --Donald Trung (talk) 07:06, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

A) I literally speak Japanese.

B) Literally no one in Japan knows who this guy is. Go ahead and ask any random Japanese person if they've heard of this Sunny guy - they won't know what you're talking about. If he is mentioned it's usually within the context of C)

C) If you want to know a case where someone died that actually DID make an impact, I beg you to look up Wishma Sandamali - who has her own article mind you. If you will check the article on Sri Lankan in Japan, you will notice that her death is not there.

This very logically leads me to conclude this irrelevant Sunny guy DOES NOT BELONG.

To call it censorship is wrong and ignorance on your part and I beseech you to touch go outside and touch grass.

So I'm reverting it because you're wrong. Eddienahui (talk) 08:34, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Regarding:

A) Wholly irrelevant, especially since all the cited media is in English.

B) That's not how Wikipedia works, Gerald 'Sunny' Okafor's death is reported on by Reuters, Japan Today, The Japan Times, and is even mentioned in printed books. Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean that "no one cares" especially since there's a mountain of evidence pointing out that you're wrong.

C) "Death of Wishma Sandamali" has an article here and could be mentioned in the "Sri Lankans in Japan" article but isn't, that is simply because nobody has chosen to include it, it isn't actively excluded.

As for the "touch grass" comment, that's an ad hominem and I see that you're not familiar with "WP:COMMUNICATE" seeing as you wrote "I do not have a positive view of this site or the people who frequently use it. - Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone. - The only thing I care about is filling in information about the country I live in - otherwise, one of your community would absolutely botch it like they ruined the Scots Wiki. - Things I need to translate and edit since the average Wikipedia admin is A) a loser B) sniffs their own farts C) has never been in a physical fight in his life D) is a mouthbreather who only speaks English E) actually thinks what he is doing is important lol - Things I need to amend because the average Wikipedia admin is retarded and needs CrEdiBlE rEsOuRcEs in English or something or other and has never left the country and therefore can only rely on what his friends at Reddit or Kotaku write for him" which tells me that actually engaging with this community and its standards is something that you're either unwilling and / or incapable of doing. All of the content you deleted was backed by credible sources that established the notability of the event, simply pointing out that another article doesn't do this (see: WP:OTHERSTUFF) is a non-argument. --Donald Trung (talk) 08:50, 15 September 2022 (UTC)