Talk:North Carolina Transportation Museum

North Carolina Transportation Museum was one of the Engineering and technology good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
February 2, 2017	Good article nominee	Listed
October 31, 2022	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

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Hello — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.82.163.147 (talk) 19:39, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello 97.82.163.147 . Please don't vandalism the article or you could be banned. Thanks for constructive edits.-21:12, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:North Carolina Transportation Museum/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Shearonink (talk · contribs) 21:10, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to Review this article for possible GA status. Shearonink (talk) 21:10, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
Is it verifiable with no original research?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

C. It contains no original research:
D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
I ran the copyvio tool and found that the WP article & radiomuseum.org/museum/usa/north-carolina-transportation-museum-spencer/.html have some troubling areas of commonality with each other, down to the spacing etc:
The North Carolina Transportation Museum is a transport museum in Spencer, North Carolina. The museum is largely devoted to the state's railroad history; however, its collection also includes exhibits of automobiles and aircraft. The museum is located at the former Southern Railway's 1896-era Spencer Shops

Heritage railroad

The museum has a heritage railroad, which operates passenger excursion trains several times per day, year round, but on a seasonal schedule. Trains are...

Cab rides [to the normal excursion] can be purchased at Barber Junction.
Usually in cases like this the other site is copying WP, but I have noticed that at least one named COI-account has edited the article in the past so who knows... Anyway, these sentences will need to be adjusted/re-crafted before the Review can proceed. Shearonink (talk) 22:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Part D Done - Reworded the lead and these sentences noted above accordingly. Earwig now reads 2.9% = only the name of the museum showing. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:10, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
No edit-wars found. Shearonink (talk) 22:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
Everything looks pretty much good to go. I did one last readthrough to see if I missed anything, found one issue, as soon as that is adjusted I can finish reviewing this article for GA status. Shearonink (talk) 23:29, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats. Shearonink (talk) 15:29, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Ref #2 is a mostly-bare URL, it needs to be filled-out with more details. (date, publisher, website, etc).

Done - used reference template to replace bare URL. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:25, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ref #1 goes to a website search instead of an individual result. Shearonink (talk) 22:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC) =

Done Removed reporting mark = not needed, as it tends to be an advertising promotion. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:31, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

One last thing[edit]

I think the lead section would benefit from some additional claims to notability - for instance, the Museum 1)has the largest collection of rail relics in the Carolinas, 2)the Back Shop at sone time was the largest industrial building when it was built in 1920 (TWO football fields long! - how in the world did I miss that before?...), etc. Pending the completion of adjustments to the lead section, I will then be able to finish up my review. Shearonink (talk) 23:29, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Shearonink: Done - expanded the lead accordingly.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:14, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

North Carolina Transportation Museum[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result: Delisted. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:35, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The reference from https://www.nctrans.org which now redirects to https://www.nctransportationmuseum.org is the only reference for the Heritage railroad and Events sections but:
1. It is the URL of the North Carolina Transportation Museum itself and is a primary source.
2. The reference has a date of 2015 but the archived version is from 2007 (admittedly the archived URL could be removed) leaving it unclear what information was used for the reference.
3. Neither the archived version links, archived versions from 2015 or 2016 or the current version supports the text with what is on the home page although it may have sub pages of the site may support it.
4. The Heritage railroad section mentions events from 2016 and 2017 which is after the date of the only reference for the section.
The Steam and Diesel sections of the Collection have no references supporting them. (possibly replaceable by references in the Coleman book).
The Electric Boxcar reference comes from the page http://www.bera.org/pnaerc-orginfo.html which is a list of "Organizations Preserving North American Railway Cars" which has not been updated since 2006 (according to their page) and may be considered user generated as it asks for people to email the page owner.
The museum information reference is a press release from the museum and a primary source. (possibly replaceable by a reference in the Coleman book).
The North Carolina Department of Transportation - Awards: Railroad Depot and Roundhouse Renovations reference has some great information but is from the NCDOT which partnered with the NCTM for work so could be considered a primary reference.
There is also no real reference on the fact that the former Southern Railway's Spencer Shops is on the NRHP. I also wonder if other buildings are heritage listed.

Given the WP:CCI of the nominator for GA status and close paraphrasing that has been found in other recent GARs of their articles I am reluctant to try and solve the identified issues. I am not saying that there is any incorrect information in the article and the books Coleman, Alan (2018). North Carolina Transportation Museum. Charleston, South Carolina. ISBN 1-4671-2775-2. OCLC 1007842710.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link) and Galloway, Duane (1996). Southern Railway's Spencer shops : 1896-1996. Jim Wrinn. Lynchburg, Va.: TLC Pub. ISBN 1-883089-23-9. OCLC 36152758. may have enough information to support everything especially with some local news reports but absent some significant effort this article should be delisted.

I expect that someone could turn this into an amazing article with some effort as I suspect that the references are out there but it is not there yet.

I will be posting a message about this GAR on the Railways Wikiproject. Gusfriend (talk) 08:48, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Southern Railway's Spencer Shops, another Doug promotion about the facility which houses this museum seems to suffer from some similar issues. -Indy beetle (talk) 10:59, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That article is hilariously incomplete; it only discusses the building of the shops and gives nary a sentence to their more than 60 years of operations. I have started a GAR. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:21, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.