Talk:Only Happy When It Rains/GA1
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Reviewer: Legolas2186 (talk · contribs) 08:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Hello Igor, I will be reviewing this articl and note points as I go. At present it looks a major restructuring is necessary. Have you written music articles previously? Best, — Legolas (talk2me) 08:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Yes - song-wise, the one I did the most myself was You Know My Name. (these Garbage ones are mostly drive-by noms... or shootings) igordebraga ≠ 05:21, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
- Infobox
- File:Onlyhappywhenitrainsuk.png needs to be reduced to bring it to the 300x300 size. Also, the file does not mention any url from where the image is obtained, thus violating NFCC.
- (See release history) ---> Remove this, as per WP:IBX, no internal wikilinks are needed in articles, especially infobox.
- 1994 - 1995 ---> Should be 1994–95 since itsthe same decade.
- File:Garbageohwiruscd.png ---> Fails WP:NFCC#8 and WP:NFCC#3a completely. Please remove.
- File:Garbage - Only Happy When it Rains.ogg ---> Should be used in the article where the song is being discussed, preferably the composition section. See articles like "Like a Prayer" on how it is being incorporated.Also, the rationale for the sample needs to be increased sincerely to reflect what exactly it is aiding the listeners in understanding the article, else this also fails NFCC.
- Lead
- "Only Happy When It Rains" was a single written and produced by alternative rock group Garbage for their band's debut studio album Garbage. --> "Only Happy When It Rains" is a song written and produced by alternative rock group Garbage, for the band's self-titled debut studio album.
- I'm sorry but the lead in no way conforms to WP:LEAD. It misses major points like the composition, the critical response, the music video, the cover versions, formats etc which are integral part of an article and is indeed present in this one. Refer to an article like "Oh Father" on how to summarize the contents and present them in lead.
- I will return back to reviewing the lead after you have extended it. At least three paras are needed for an article of this length.
I will come up with more. — Legolas (talk2me) 06:13, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
- Composition
- in either Marker's basement recording studio or at their own Smart Studios in Madison, Wisconsin ---> Which was the place where it was recorded? At present its WP:CRYSTAL.
- Wikilink the recording related terms like mastering, mixing, recording, bass etc.
- Vig recalled it at last minute to mix the guitar tracks louder (Vig claimed years later that the song still didn't sound the way it had in his head) ---> Make it the last sentence of the first para in this section and change it to "At the last minute, Vig decided to increase the mix of the guitar tracks louder; he later claimed that the song still did not sound the way he wanted it to, in his head."
- The mixing was noted for putting Manson's voice lower than the usual in mainstream pop, leading the singing to be on the same level as the instruments --> Can you rephrase this? I cannot get what it means
- and Vig added that "'Only --> Make a new sentence
- song "Happy When It Rains" --> add the release year in braces after the song name.
- Critical
- In reviews for the single release --> comma after release
- while Billboard's Larry Flick --> Again, a new sentence please
- Remove instances where you say stuff like #49.. we don't accept # here, you need to substitute it as number 49 and so and so.
- Chart
- Remove all instances of # please
- wikilink "Queer"
- Ref 25 doesnot support the claim that the song debuted at number 29 on the UK Singles Chart
- The whole of this section needs a thorogh cleanup. Major problem is the continuous internal wikilinks within a sentence. Try moving them to the end and the repetitive # tags. And I see that you are not using non-breaking spaces at all. I suggest you start with them
- Reference 51 links to ARIA forum for the Hung Medien website. Cannot be considered reliable.
- Music video
- Continuous repetition of phrase "The video" ... please rephrase
- How is File:GarbageOHWIRvideo.JPG passing WP:NFCC#8? It can be easily described by words, making the addition as purely decorative and hence deletable.
- Track listings
- Use en-dash in between the tracks and their time. Also use {{cite music release notes}} for citing the different formats. SEe "4 Minutes" as an example.
- Credits
- En-dash
- Needs a source
- Why is the format different for the Band and the Production?
- Charts
- RIANZ to its expansion please
- Its Billboard Hot 100 not Billboard Hot 100. Note the italicization.
- Release history
- Needs references
- References
- Ref 1: Any issn? volume? issue?
- Ref 2: Needs catalog number
- Ref 3: Same as above
- Ref 6: isbn? issn? volume?
- Ref 7, its just NME and should be italicized
- Ref 8, 9, 14, 15, 17--23 all are either missing volume, issue, issn, isbn, dates etc etc.
- Billboard references --> Billboard is a printed magazine, should be italicized
- Also, publishers are mostly missing from the references
- There is no consistency with the date format, you are using both yyyy-mm-dd as well as mm dd, yyyy also. Stick to one format throughout.
- Referencing is a major major problem here.
Keeping on hold for seven days. Not exactly happy about this article. A lotsa cleanup needs to be done, especially for the references, before it can be accepted as a GA. — Legolas (talk2me) 17:09, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Tried to fix the prose... and now I'll research for at least the publishers of those magazines. (don't know if all have an ISSN easy to find...) igordebraga ≠ 03:01, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
- The lead is not done, references are missing formatting, MoS violations like the "Billboard Hot 100 not Billboard Hot 100" I pointed above. There's still lotsa work pending Igor. — Legolas (talk2me) 05:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
- Expanded the lead (does it really need 3 paragraphs? I'm doing as much as I can in two!), put ISSN and volume in all magazine sources I could find - also, putting "month year" for monthly ones when the rest are yyyy-mm-dd is OK? igordebraga ≠ 00:56, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- The lead does not need 3 paras, but it needs a proper summary which is sourced in the article body. At present you have stuff like how the song became Garbage's most known and covered song, but that's not properly explained in the body. — Legolas (talk2me) 03:40, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- Added some more, is it still lacking? igordebraga ≠ 03:23, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
- The lead does not need 3 paras, but it needs a proper summary which is sourced in the article body. At present you have stuff like how the song became Garbage's most known and covered song, but that's not properly explained in the body. — Legolas (talk2me) 03:40, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- Expanded the lead (does it really need 3 paragraphs? I'm doing as much as I can in two!), put ISSN and volume in all magazine sources I could find - also, putting "month year" for monthly ones when the rest are yyyy-mm-dd is OK? igordebraga ≠ 00:56, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
- Done. igordebraga ≠ 23:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)