Talk:Open Arms (SZA song)/Archive 1
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Did you know nomination
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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 13:01, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
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- ... that a recent SZA song contains a tribute to her grandmother who died from Alzheimer's disease during album recording sessions? Source: NME, Okayplayer, Nylon
- ALT1: ... that a recent SZA song starts with a tribute to her grandmother who died from Alzheimer's disease during album recording sessions? Source: ibid
- ALT1: ... that a recent SZA song starts with a tribute to her grandmother who died from Alzheimer's disease? Source: ibid
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Edward Dando
Moved to mainspace by Your Power (talk). Self-nominated at 17:08, 16 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Open Arms (SZA song); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- maybe not
QPQ: 
- Not done
Overall: 
@Your Power: Good article but I don't really think the hook is interesting. Could you propose another hook? Also need a QPQ. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Onegreatjoke: Can I suggest one myself, in the meantime? Let me know if this could be OK.
- ALT1b: ... that a song from SZA's 2022 album, SOS, pays tribute to her grandmother, who died from Alzheimer's disease during the LP's recording sessions? Oltrepier (talk) 15:38, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- I find that one too convoluted to be interesting. And @Onegreatjoke I agree the other ones aren't that eye-catching either, so here's one that's a little more narrative-heavy:
- ALT2: ... that upon learning of her grandmother's death while creating an album, SZA memorialized her by having one of its tracks begin with her voice? Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 16:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)- For an ALT3, which I prefer the most because it's a little more outside-the-box compared to most song hooks: ... that a woman who died from Alzheimer's was memorialized by her granddaughter through posthumous vocals in a song? Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 17:22, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
- For an ALT3, which I prefer the most because it's a little more outside-the-box compared to most song hooks: ... that a woman who died from Alzheimer's was memorialized by her granddaughter through posthumous vocals in a song? Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
- @Your Power: A QPQ is still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:09, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
- Will get to this soon -Elias
- I'd like to second the proposal for ALT3. It's pretty unusual and intriguing and isn't reliant on knowing SZA is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:38, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you NHL ^^ And the QPQ is done ftr - @Onegreatjoke can we get an update on how this looks now? Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 15:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
A better hook. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you NHL ^^ And the QPQ is done ftr - @Onegreatjoke can we get an update on how this looks now? Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
- I'd like to second the proposal for ALT3. It's pretty unusual and intriguing and isn't reliant on knowing SZA is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:38, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
- Will get to this soon -Elias
GA Review
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Reviewer: Ippantekina (talk · contribs) 07:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a. (reference section):
- b. (citations to reliable sources):
- c. (OR):
- d. (copyvio and plagiarism):
- a. (reference section):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a. (major aspects):
- b. (focused):
- a. (major aspects):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
- b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):
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are unassessed)
Lead and infobox
- "backed by acoustic guitar" an acoustic guitar?
- Rewritten
Background
- "for its vocals and eclectic musical style" nitpick-y but "SZA's vocals and its eclectic musical style"?
- Tweaked. I prefer "the eclectic".
- "The roster ranged from Billie Eilish, Harry Styles, and Olivia Rodrigo; to Doja Cat, Drake, and Kendrick Lamar" interesting, but what makes you grouop Eilish/Styles/Rodrigo into one group and Doja/Drake/Kendrick into another?
- Billie/Harry/Olivia are more of singers, and Doja/Drake/Kendrick are more of rappers. Listing them in an "A, B, C, D, E, and F" format feels flat and uninteresting, and "from A, B, C; to D, E, F" adds more flair.
Music and production
- "backed by finger-picked acoustic guitar" ditto "a finger-picked acoustic guitar"
- Done
- I am uncertain if we need to capitalize "Black" as in "Black woman"
- MOS:RACECAPS permits either capitalization
- "a departure from his usual sound" some more context on Scott's "usual sound" is helpful here
- Also done
Release and reception
- "appears as the twentieth track" shouldn't it be "20th" for consistency?
- I'd move "Note 3" one sentence prior and only include the Observer ref for Empire's comment
- +1 for both
- Any particular reason why the names of the critics for Variety (Amorosi) and the LA Times (Wood) are omitted?
- Not really, I just thought they'd clutter the prose initially, but on second thought there's no harm naming them. Done
Verdict
- Overall a very solid article. My comments above are by no means detrimental to quality. Putting this
On hold until all my comments are addressed. Ippantekina (talk) 16:36, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Ippantekina: haven't seen you in a while! Hope Wiki-life and off-wiki life have been kind to you since we last met
. Much gratitude for the brief review and the verdict; I've addressed everything that needs addressing. Looking forward to your responses. Best, Elias 🌊 💬 "Will you call me?"
📝 "Will you hang me out to dry?" 05:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)- Thanks for your kind words :) Sometimes I feel like Wiki sucks me in a little bit too strong but other than that I'm still balancing everything so far lol. Very good work on the article and thanks for addressing my comments--I need to learn a thing or two from you! Passing it now. Ippantekina (talk) 11:42, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Ippantekina: haven't seen you in a while! Hope Wiki-life and off-wiki life have been kind to you since we last met
