Talk:Organopónicos

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I added this article because I feel the Organoponico movement in Havana, Cuba is a significant cultural transition that may have implications for other places in the world. Please expand and edit this article. Wirtheim 06:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Current Status controversy[edit]

The section of the Current Status requires sensitive and nuanced coverage as the issue contains controversies. The existence of divisive interpretations can be seen right away from the quotes from Monthly Review and The Economist. At the moment, a quote from Economist is prominently highlighted by a box. This makes for a distorted view imho, not to mention that the quote offers mere event-analysis, not a system analysis, not even a trend analysis. I'd like to ask someone with closer knowledge of the matter to improve the quality of the encyclopedic entry. Thank you! w.0q (talk) 16:04, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The quotation box did not actually have a proper reference. I put up a call for a proper citation needed. I noticed that there are other two quotes of Economist in the text (same author?) each forming a separate paragraph of one sentence without any connectors. The first reference is quoting merely the first sentence of the article trying to dramatize the scene (poor farmers' lunch), not the core of the journalistic report (agriculture's development). The quote was twisted so bad I had to rewrite it (only a potato for lunch). I actually don't see a value of this sentence contributing to the article but I do not want to delete someone's work. The other quote is refering to an article that I can't access without registration and I don't want to bother. Please, clean up, keep the quality up and don't dramatize the events. Thank you all! w.0q (talk) 16:51, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I got an access to the other quoted Economist article. I'm such a dork :-) Currently, the article says "As of 2012 there were plans to privatise farming and dismantle the Organopónicos, as part of broader plans to improve productivity; it is hoped that food rationing could finally end." quoting the article "On the road towards capitalism; The Castros, Cuba and America" from The Economist, Mar 24 2012. I read the article. The ONLY sentence that is related to farming states: "Much of Cuban farming is, in effect, being privatised." Its written in the context of Raul's changes and workforce transfering to private sector. In other words, only one of the statements - that farms are being privatized - can be referenced to the article. The other statements about Organoponicos, productivity and hopes cannot be legitimized with that reference. I suspect they might be private views of the person who wrote it and masqued as objective facts. w.0q (talk) 17:58, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The quote from The Economist starting "The grip of the state on Cuban farming has been disastrous" does not relate to the article topic, organoponics. Also, it completely misses the preceding points about *why* production is so low, namely lack of foreign exchange to buy artificial fertilizers. I tried to improve flow by grouping it with another related sentence and adding an introductory sentence, but I think it should be removed. -Pgan002 (talk) 06:34, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like the article that was used as the reference for the quote is the wrong one, as The Economist's "Edging towards capitalism" article has the part about the land and cows, while the currently listed one does not. 23.91.193.176 (talk) 04:59, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fertilizers[edit]

"Without the fertilizers, hydroponic units from the Soviet Union were no longer usable."

Why? What's wrong with using sewage, plant/food/fish waste etc? 86.29.7.158 (talk) 21:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would guess that the author meant that the equipment made for use with artificial fertilizers was not usable for organic fertilizer as-is. The following sentences clarify that the equipment was adapted for that new use. I actually added "artificial" even before I saw this comment. -Pgan002 (talk) 06:17, 23 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]