Talk:Origins of the Sino-Indian War

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wats with these indian in wiki being all so bias here. this article is such a bs  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.11.142 (talk) 18:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Large number of broken references[edit]

I commented out a very large number of broken references for "Garver", "Calvin" as well as ones for "Guruswamy" and "VKSingh". Seems that the first two would be of great value if they could be found again. Ogre lawless (talk) 22:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the Garver reference to the main document. The link is also shown below. Ouyuecheng (talk) 16:09, 25 December 2009 (UTC) http://www.scribd.com/doc/19480031/China-India-War-1962[reply]

Provided a direct link to U of Harvard plus book citation for Garver - now we need page numbers for commented-out citations, which I assume were not present in the first place. Cheers, Rayshade (talk) 22:56, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The events that led to the Sino-Indian War in 1962 may be said to reach back to mid-19th century when the then Chinese inperial power went into decline and Tibet increasingly asserted its independence under successive Dalai Lamas. There are numerous references to these events and developments as documented by Alastair Lamb ("British India and Tibet 1766-1910", Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1960/1986), H.E. Richardson ("Tibet and its History", Oxford University Press, 1962), Margaret Fisher et al ("Himalayan battleground", Frederick A. Praeger Inc., 1945), L. Petech ("China and Tibet in early 18th Century", E.J. Brill, Leiden, 1950) and others.Pidiji (talk) 01:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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Lots of ref tags are messed up. Luke Chan (talk) 14:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Maxwell claptrap[edit]

I have removed this line from the article sourced to Neville Maxwell:

These new maps were also revised to show the countries of Bhutan and Sikkim as part of India.[1] (Footnotes not included in online version of Maxwell, but is on pg. 83 of paper copy)

References

  1. ^ Maxwell, Neville (9 September 2006). "Settlements and Disputes: China's Approach to Territorial Issues" (PDF). Economic and Political Weekly. 41 (36): 3876. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2006-10-01. Retrieved 2006-09-29.

(I suppose the citation is wrong and the editor wanted to cite Maxwell's book.) The statement is the usual cherry-picked claptrap from Maxwell and is not directly relevant to the topic of this article.

A 1956 map of India

Parshotham Mehra says in a book review:

Professor Lamb is a professional historian of great academic distinction; he is thorough, painstaking and, for the most part, at once sound and scholarly. This is not to gainsay that there are gaps both in his presentation as well as interpretation. Neville Maxwell is a different kettle of fish, a good journalist who has used historical data selectively to build one hypothesis and demolish another.[1]

We see this selective cherry-picking here. Maxwell, who covered India throughout the 1950s as a BBC journalist, surely knew that Sikkim was a protectorate of India and Bhutan was a protected state of India.[2][3][4] With some discretion, he might have also known how to distinguish between what is shown as part of India and what is shown in relation to India, like the map on the right here. But informing his readers of such niceties is not part of his plan.

Nor does he want to tell any truths remotely resembling these:

The Chinese - Imperial, Nationalist, Communist - have frequently talked, and sometimes tried to act, as if parts or all of Sikkim and Bhutan were their feudatories.[5]

If one throws in the modern Chinese nationalist propositions that the People's Republic of China is the successor to the traditional Tibetan state and that Tibet is part of the family of nationalities making up the modern Chinese state, this means that Sikkim and Bhutan were virtually part of "China" for over 1,800 years.[6]

In 1960, the Chinese leadership issued a statement was cause for concern in Bhutan: “Bhutanese, Sikkimese and Ladakhis form a united family in Tibet. They have always been subject to Tibet and to the great motherland of China. They must once again be united and taught the communist doctrine.”[7]

Hmm... Ladakhis as well. Oh, my!

I count 26 citations to Maxwell on this page, roughly 20% of all citations. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 01:18, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Mehra, Parshotam (1976). "S. P. SEN (Ed): The Sino-Indian Border Question: A Historical Review (Book review)". India Quarterly: A Journal of International Affairs. 32 (4): 489–491. doi:10.1177/097492847603200406. ISSN 0974-9284.
  2. ^ Meijknecht, Anna (2001), Towards International Personality: The Position of Minorities and Indigenous Peoples in International Law, Intersentia NV, pp. 42–, ISBN 978-90-5095-166-1
  3. ^ Levi, Werner (December 1959), "Bhutan and Sikkim: Two Buffer States", The World Today, 15 (12): 492–500, JSTOR 40393115
  4. ^ Poulose, T. T. (April 1971), "Bhutan's External Relations and India", The International and Comparative Law Quarterly, 20 (2): 195–212, JSTOR 758028
  5. ^ Levi, Werner (December 1959), "Bhutan and Sikkim: Two Buffer States", The World Today, 15 (2): 492, JSTOR 40393115
  6. ^ Garver, John W. (2011), Protracted Contest: Sino-Indian Rivalry in the Twentieth Century, University of Washington Press, pp. 167–168, ISBN 978-0-295-80120-9
  7. ^ Benedictus, Brian (2 August 2014), "Bhutan and the Great Power Tussle", The Diplomat
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