Talk:Pakistan Railways/Archive 1

Deleted Map

Can any one tell me what are those particular copyright violations which resulted in the deletion of this map

from this article??? The map was totally made by me so how it comes under the heading of COPYRIGHT VIOLATION???? nomi887 (talk) 07:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Dead link

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Standard or Broad Gauge

During his speech, Musharraf mentioned initiatives to increase train speeds, install more lengths of double track and to convert the country's railways to standard gauge and establish direct rail connections with China.[1]

Yet there are numerous mentions in the article of converting narrow- (i.e., meter-) gauge lines to 1676 mm, which is broad, not standard, gauge. (Standard gauge is usually 1435 mm--though some railways in the world have operated with slightly wider or narrower gauges that were nonetheless compatible.) So is Pakistan going to convert to standard gauge (which I believe is used in China), or is it going to convert to broad gauge? Will there be dual-gauge lines where trains of both gauges can operate? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.243.206.193 (talk) 17:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC).

China is standard gauge as is the gauge of 60% of the world's railways, as is Iran, the Middle East and Europe on the opposite border. Tabletop 04:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

China to Iran via Pakistan link gauge

A possible link from Pakistan to China over the Himalayas (which is difficult) might be complimented by a link to Iran and beyond. These links ought to be standard gauge or dual gauge. Connection of this line to key centres inside Pakistan would be desirable. This dual gauge can be done with 3 rails.

One must not forget Central Asia with a different broad gauge of 1524mm. This Russian Gauge is less suitable for dual gauge operation that standard and broad. These dual gauges must be done with 4 rails.

It is hard to see justification of general or total conversion of broad gauge lines to standard gauge. There may be some sense in converting remaining small and isolated sections of metre gauge lines to broad gauge. The president's speech is brave enough proposing partial gauge conversion to standard gauge.

The gauge question in Pakistan, where there are several adjoining gauges and where adjacent systems have yet to link up presents a lot of interesting challenges to get a good system without spending a fortune wastefully.

Tabletop 04:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Russian gauge (1520mm) with either standard gauge (1435mm) or broad gauge (1676mm) needs 4 rails, bonus Brunel gauge (2140mm). 180.199.42.133 (talk) 09:59, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Gauge unification progress

How much Broad gauge (BG) and Metre gauge (MG) did PR have when MG was at its greatest? Are there any other gauges?

How much BG and MG does PR have now?

Now much BG and MG will PR have when current gauge conversion works are concluded? Tabletop 01:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Un-encyclopedic paragraph in section about locomotive works

The biggest problem for Pakistan Railways is the soaring budget deficit. Although railways are traditionally not expected to earn a profit it is nevertheless legitimate to expect railways to meet at least operational expenses. ... If they will continue to ignore the presence of non-productive over staffed departments with very insignificant contribution in overall performanc e of Pakistan Railways, the department will continue to decline. It shall never be in a position to meet the expectations of public.

The entire paragraph is un-encyclopedic, and probably should be deleted. It looks like a piece of political propaganda. Perhaps it can be re-worked, however. In any case, it should be placed in a different section, since it has nothing to do with the locomotive works, where it is right now. 76.21.8.213 (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Please don't add more stations

Please don't add more stations under "Important Railway Stations". Its already has all Important Railway Stations of Pakistan. There are 656 railway stations in Pakistan. I think it isn't right to list all railway stations in this article. (Adnanrail (talk) 05:09, 21 July 2012 (UTC))

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"Information Technology" section

It appears that much of this is a general blurb for IT, with little to offer with respect to how such technology is used by the Pakistan Railways. Should the entire section be deleted, or is there useful information that might either be used by itself in a stand-alone section, or incorporated into other parts of the article? 108.246.206.139 (talk) 23:24, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Urdu translation

I'm getting sick and tired of colonialized bastard Pakistanis who don't know there own language. Using URDU letters to literally write "RAILWAY" is NOT URDU, it's a god damn abomination. Open an Urdu dictionary, learn your language, then start playing on Wikipedia. If you do not understand the Urdu translation, it's probably because you're a moron who studied at Beaconhouse...which means you don't know proper English nor do you know proper Urdu. Talk about living in no mans land. Unpar jahilo.

Whatever the linguistic merits, I believe wikipedia policy is to use the common name by which things are known. The question is, what does the corporation actually use in their own Urdu materials. I was not able to open the PR website, either in English or Urdu, but a quick google image search turned up this, which appears to use the English word transliterated into Urdu script. The website I found this on is clearly not the best source, so it may well be wrong. If you could find a PR website that shows what Urdu term they use, please reference it here. If not, then much as I might support your goal of using Urdu words in Urdu, you should carry on your campaign with PR itself, not with WP. All the best! YBG (talk) 07:06, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

I stand corrected. I have looked closer at the logo posted in the article, and see that it nearly follows what you said ... but I have adjusted it slightly to correspond to what is in the logo, which, for this purpose, seems to be a reliable source. YBG (talk) 03:36, 20 November 2016 (UTC)u

And I'm afraid I must take it back yet again, as I've discovered that the logo in question (File:Pakraillogo.jpg using the name پاکستان راه آہن , was created by PAKHIGHWAY, so that doesn't actually qualify as a reliable source. It has now been replaced by File:Pakistan_Railways_Logo-v2.png, using the name پاکستان ریلوے , but that was created by White.pearl7, so it also doesn't qualify as a reliable source. So until someone shows me an official source, I have no opinion about which is Urdu name of PR. YBG (talk) 02:21, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Reply on Urdu Translation

YBG you are not the only one who is ParhaLikha. You should mind your language and be logical and polite. I believe to debate for a logical and acceptable outcome, for which you are also invited with PAKHIGHWAY.

I also support to use pure Urdu language and favor it all, but here the debate is not about Urdu translation of PAKISTAN RAILWAYS, but it is all about "common name by which things are known" as said by you. So, this is what actually I'm trying to follow. File:Pakistan_Railways_Logo-v2.png has been created using logo available on official website (this) with same color codes picked by editing software, and reflected in a high quality output file. I would like to submit official website reference (this) as a source to prove that پاکستان ریلویز being used as corporate translation of PAKISTAN RAILWAYS. The pure translation پاکستان راه آہن no where be found on and offline. No one can identify PAKISTAN RAILWAYS using پاکستان راه آہن but پاکستان ریلویز (Ref-1 Ref-2). You can find more references on Ministry of Railways (Pakistan) official website Media>Image gallery. I hope satisfactory references provided. White.pearl7 (talk) 13:15, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

New Logo

I found PR's logo on Pakistan Railways Academy website and uploaded it via Commons. However I'm not sure if I used the proper copyright. If someone could kindly look into it that would be great. Thank you.

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PakistanRailwaysLogo.jpg

--PAKHIGHWAY (talk) 16:28, 25 February 2017 (UTC)