Talk:Paolo Veronese

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Veronese is one of the great Venetian artists of the period just after Titian. Like Titian Veronese was a wonderful colorist. His most memorable work are the trompe'oil scenes he executed within glorious architectural settings in villas around the Veneto, especially in combination with Palladio's sublime architecture. Mark Faraday 05:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Expansion[edit]

Now I have removed the expansion tag, after adding content, cites, and images. More is needed, but the article at least looks respectable now, something closer to what Veronese merits. JNW 03:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - good job! Johnbod 03:31, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Grazie! JNW 04:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

real name Comin[edit]

According to a short notice in the Feb 07 Apollo, the catalogue of the big Prado exhibition (Feb-May 07) "reveals the new information that the artist's surname was Comin" Johnbod 17:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Levi[edit]

I've changed "heretical" to "indecorous", which I think is correct. I don't have Rearick & am going on Rostand as in the other treatment of the matter (and note - which seems to be a dead link just now;it was ok a month ago) - which I'd linked to in the caption here. We should keep our stories straight, but let me know if you want to discuss. Any whiff of heresy was remote, even by Inquisitorial standards, and this was after all Venice, not Spain. (See the original version of article also) Johnbod 09:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken. As it turned out, the picture was not deemed heretical, but only because of the change in title, ergo content. And true enough that it being Venice, the threat to Veronese was probably not real. But was indecorousness alone enough to prompt Veronese's questioning? Even if only as a formality, I think he was facing charges of heresy. I may add a word or two to the article for clarification, but feel free to continue the discussion. JNW 13:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have found what appears to be a complete transcript: [1]. No details of any matter seem to have been given in the Summons & the only mention of heresy is tangential, presumably referring to German satirical prints. I had seen the meaty bit before, but hadn't realized the whole thing was so short. Rather less than the "tried for heresy" of myth. Johnbod 18:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- - Thank you for the link to the transcript. No, it doesn't read as particularly ominous. Yet, why else would Veronese have been summoned, if not to explore the possibility that the work contained heretical elements? And doesn't the questioning imply as much? In the article, I did not write that he was tried for heresy, because I agree that would be too heavy-handed an interpretation. If you think that 'to defend himself against charges of heresy' is too strong, do insert a better turn of phrase. I really do appreciate your input, and in the meantime I will need to dig up the Veronese books again. Thanks, JNW 20:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was the "indecorousness" which really is heading to sacrilege rather than heresy I suppose; evidently they thought that was within their remit. The Spanish (Seville) Inquisition had Pacheco, Velasquez's father-in-law as Censor of religious paintings. As you say, enforcing the Tridentine resolutions. Like Veronese, I suppose people were reluctant to tell them it was none of their business. Johnbod 21:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changes[edit]

Time for a further revamp, with a big London exhibition coming in March. I'm inclined to remove the not very helpful infobox & use the space for a wide image of one of the biggies at a decent size. I think the "Anthology" might be hived off to a list article, maybe keeping a list of the few that have articles here. Thoughts? Johnbod (talk) 17:35, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This all sounds good to me. Ewulp (talk) 03:58, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Johnbod (talk) 14:31, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And more: "Veronese in religion" section is: "In theosophy, Paolo Veronese is believed by some, such as Charles Leadbeater, to have reincarnated as one of a more senior group of enlightened masters serving the planet Earth. In this teaching, according to some, he is called by the nickname 'Paul the Venetian', after his life as Veronese, and is said, during the 1800s at least, to have lived in Venice." WP:UNDUE, no? It could go in a footnote maybe. Johnbod (talk) 14:31, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Who were his models?[edit]

Veronese visibly used the same models again and again, especially the female ones. Both the man and the woman in Venus and Adonis and Cephalus and Procris are the same, obviously. But "Procris" also returns as Lucretia, anybody can see that it is again the same woman. I will not go as far as saying that all the blonde women with curly hair in his 1580s paintings (such as in Mars and Venus with Cupid and a Dog) are one and the same person, but do we know more about the identity of his models?
I am well aware that had already used a blonde model with curly hair twenty years prior, for instance in Allegory of Wisdom and Strength. Could that be his wife, and the others, his daughter? --Edelseider (talk) 08:58, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]