Talk:Parallel cinema

Monsoon and Images

Many hold the mistaken view that Monsoon Wedding is an Indian film while Mira Nair herself made it clear that it is an American film for all intents and puposes, as is The Namesake. She describes them as American films about India.

The image in the section "Expansion" of Kamal Haasan is good but not as representative. The section discusses mainly Hindi art films, and I think one such image should be added, preferably of one of Shyam Benegal's films starring Shabana Azmi or Smita Patil, because it represents best Indian art cinema of that time. Opinions? Shahid • ^Talk2me 15:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I disagree with your opinion on Monsoon Wedding. Simply because it was an international co-production, that does not make it a non-Indian film. If that was the case, then Mira Nair's earlier Salaam Bombay would also not qualify as an Indian film, but the very fact that it was India's entry for the Oscars makes it an Indian film. The same goes for other Mira Mair films produced in India (and co-produced by Indian companies), including Monsoon Wedding. Also, could you cite any sources where she refers to it as an exclusively American film? Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 20:12, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

As for the "Expansion" section, I agree we need an image on Hindi parallel cinema, but we also need one on Malayalam cinema too since a paragraph is dedicated to it in that section. The only image (not including cover art) I could find for Hindi art cinema at the time is for Bhumika, while the only one I found for Malayalam cinema is for Mathilukal. Which images would you suggest we add? Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 20:21, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

There's nothing to diagree with. I actually don't have any opinion. I go according to facts only. Yes, Salaam Bombay was an Indian film, it was made and produced in India, hence it's an Indian film. It's not a really valid comparison after all because it's an old film made a long time ago, when Mira was not a Hollywood filmmakers. She is now known as an India-born Hollywood filmmaker. Monsoon Wedding is another story. You should not compare films made by one filmmaker. I can also cite such films as Vanity Fair, The Namesake and the forthcoming Amelia which are clearly not Indian films. Monsoon Wedding is still somehow confusing as it deals with an Indian world completely, starring only Indian actors, but it's an American production. It's like now saying that Slumdog is an Indian film because it's in Hindi and talks about Indian people.

The source is Mira Nair's appearance on Koffee With Karan. Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh I think I got it wrong. I think she was talking about The Namesake. In any case, it's not an independent film, so it does not really belong tothe parallel cinema article. I will check the interview. Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

That's not a valid comparison. Monsoon Wedding is an Indian production, produced by Indian production companies (alongside several American and European companies). Slumdog Millionaire is an entirely British production, produced entirely by British production companies. The same goes for Mira Nair's later Hollywood films like Vanity Fair, which were produced by American companies. You can check it up on IMDb if you are uncertain which countries they were produced by. The only one that is debateable is The Namesake, which is an American-Indian co-production, but is considered an American film. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 18:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Having checked the show again, they actually discussed The Namesake as being an "out and out Amercian film, having been produced by fox". But still, Monsoon will never qualify as an entirely Indian film, and it's far from being a parallel cinema film. It's a realistic film, but it's a very big commercial production. It's not an art film.

PS: IMDb is not a good source, btw. They often get the country wrong and add countries which are part of location in such big co-productions. Monsoon is more American than Indian. Only the executive producers and distributors are Indian, not the main ones. Anyway, as I said, it does not qualify in this article in any case. Shahid • ^Talk2me 19:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Images

The number of images used should be fairly restricted. Four images would suffice. One image still looks unnecessary, but let it be for now. I think it's a great representation: Satyajit Ray, Shyam Benegal, Mani Ratnam, Aparna Sen. Shahid • ^Talk2me 19:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Slumdog Millionaire?

Who was the fool who considered SLUMDOG as an example of parallel cinema? It is a pure masala film. It can't get more commercial than it is.

==Nayagan? Who was the fool who considered Nayagan as an art film. It has starts, song, dance, tamasha, everything. It may be a good movie but definately it is a commercial one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.165.75 (talk) 15:57, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello All, I am a little intrigued, shouldn't we add Basu Chatterjee too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Balsumeet (talk • contribs) 04:48, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello All, I am a little intrigued, shouldn't we add Basu Chatterjee too? And shouldn't the term parallel cinema be kept a little sacro-sanct. I mean we have all the "New Age" multi-plex titles here, from Vastaav to "Shootout at Lokhundwala", "Joggers' Park" and all. Parallel Cinema??? I would rather say, this is still mass cinema, only focused on a different audience now, the urban, "shell out a couple of hundred" for a movie crowd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Balsumeet (talk • contribs) 05:01, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Some inclusions recommended...

Even though not the most famed internationally, do you not think works of Muzzafar Ali deserve a mention in this field?? there is no denying the classical touch of Umrao Jaan or his realistic Gaman being some of the best off beat masterpieces in indian cinema. The second mention i'd like to make is my personal favorite and i'm sure someday to be known as the Legendary Vishal Bharadwaj who has broken down the barriers of art and commercial cinema and given a new high to off beat works with involvement of some major major commercial players. I think Omkara has made Saif ali khan a legend after his portrayal of Langda Tyagi, only Vishal Bharadwaj can get such performances extracted from a not so fantastic actor, but a well known star to give his career a new high. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejivani (talk • contribs) 13:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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