Talk:Pegida Ireland

Pegida as far right.

Is someone able to prove the sources say Pegida is far right? Apollo The Logician (talk) 19:46, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Far right?

Apollo The Logician has repeatedly removed description of Pegida as "far right", claiming that the sources cited do not state this. In fact, they do. Quite apart from the multiple reliable sources cited elsewhere, in this article we already cite the Irish Times: "Members of the Garda Public Order Unit intervened when anti-racism protesters clashed with members of far-right group Pegida"^[1] and Irish Central: "Clashes between far-right anti-Islam supporters and anti-racism protesters prompted intervention by the Garda Public Order Unit in Dublin".^[2] I am therefore again reverting Apollo's unjustified and tendentious edit. RolandR (talk) 19:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough. Apollo The Logician (talk) 19:55, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

anti-immigration

Apollo The Logician, the sources say Pegida is anti-immigration - including one of the sources you added yourself. Stop edit-warring! You already have form on this page for not reading the sources! Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:26, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Lol ironic. I gave quotes for my sources, read them Apollo The Logician (talk) 21:28, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Ironic indeed. I did read them. One says anti-mass immigration. The other says anti-immigration. I added two more that also say anti-immigration. Reliably sourced content. Leave it. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:30, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

You were saying? From the article "The documentary also follows the Chairman of Pegida Ireland and Identity Ireland Founder, Peter O'Loughlin, as he campaigns on an anti-mass migration ticket in the recent general election."

It is clear the organization itself denies being anti-immigration though some sources do call it that. All mentions of immigration should be removed from the infobox and it should be given its own section, where it will be made clear the party says otherwise.Apollo The Logician (talk) 21:33, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, sources do call it that - and you can't just remove verifiable, reliably sourced content. That's not how Wikipedia works.

"Gardaí clashed with anti-racism protesters in Dublin at the launch anti-immigration group Pegida Ireland this afternoon." - Newstalk

"Today marks a day of action for the groups that fall under the Pegida banner, with a number of anti-immigration and anti-Islam demonstrations planned for across Europe." - The Journal

"Mr O’Loughlin, who won 930 votes for Identity Ireland in the Carlow-Kilkenny byelection last year, signed a pledge committing Identity Ireland to join anti-migration organisation Fortress Europe before Dan Ó Loinsigh read a statement on behalf of Pegida Ireland." - your own addition, from The Irish Times.

"where it will be made clear the party says otherwise." - are you a spokesperson for the party? Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:44, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

You also cant just throw WP:Consesnus out the window.I am well aware of all that. What do you think of my proposal? Different source say different things. Apollo The Logician (talk) 22:03, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

If you're well aware of it, why are you removing referenced material?! Reverting your deletion of the references would go some way to demonstrating good faith, after which I'd be happy to talk... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:20, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

No because as I have said, some sources say one thing, others say another. It is YOU who needs to talk, not me. Apollo The Logician (talk) 22:24, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Then I'm left with no option but to assume your removal of references is just disruptive editing. You can't remove them just because you don't like what they say (or, indeed, ignore the one you added yourself that doesn't say what you think it says). Remove them again, and I'll have to take it to AN/I - you already have a warning on your talk page. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:33, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

lol ironic. That is exactly what you are doing. Pegida Ireland being anti mass immigration is sourced but you ignore them because it doesnt suit your agenda. Likewise, you need consensus before you change something controversial. Your recent edit is not ideal but it is an improvement. Apollo The Logician (talk) 15:48, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Anti-mass-immigration is obvious as it's already described as anti-immigration. If further expansion on this is really necessary, the infobox isn't the place. Alfie Gandon (talk) 19:03, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

They're two different things.Apollo The Logician (talk) 19:15, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

No, they're two very similar things, and one envelops the other in it wholly. Alfie Gandon (talk) 19:18, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

The key word is mass. A mass shooting is not the same thing as simply just a shooting.Apollo The Logician (talk) 19:24, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

I didn't say they were. Alfie Gandon (talk) 13:23, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Lo, where is the consensus you referred to in your edit summary? Alfie Gandon (talk) 17:01, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Breitbart

@Apollo The Logician:, can you really not find a better source than Breitbart - which doesn't even have a European office? It's not a RS. Stop accusing others of edit warring when it's exactly what you're doing yourself. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 23:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Media is a RS. I'll get a decent source now. I am not the one wouldn't take it to the talk pageApollo The Logician (talk) 17:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC) Apollo The Logician (talk) 17:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Ignoring consensus

@Alfie Gandon: @Snowded: Me, @Bastun: and @Guliolopez: all agreed to leave it as anti-immigration/Anti-mass immigration as some sources say the later and others the former.Apollo The Logician (talk) 20:32, 23 March 2017 (UTC) Apollo The Logician (talk) 20:32, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

See above. Alfie Gandon (talk) 20:37, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

The above is irrelevant as it was before. You can ask him if you suspect me of lying.Apollo The Logician (talk) 20:40, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Hardly irrelevant. I think you're mixing this article up with another. Your edits don't have consensus, ATL. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:33, 23 March 2017 (UTC)