Talk:Perdika

POV-pushing using substandard sources, and source falsification

This [1] is completely unacceptable. First, the source used, a PDF purportedly by James Pettifer and Miranda Vickers (if that is even true), is nothing more than a pro-Cham advocacy rant without any bibliography or scholarly credentials. No bibliography, not RS. Simple as that. "Ҫështja çame dhe integrimi europian"? I don't think so. This appears to be some sort of compilation of pro-Cham advocacy tracts, and nothing more. Furthermore, creating a separate "Monuments" section for a one-line entry, when the article itself is a one liner (doubtless to "highlight" the entry) is ridiculous. Regarding Celo Mezani, is this some kind of joke? There is nothing to indicate this was a real person, let alone notable. Athenean (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

You accuse of POV-pushing while in the language used in this discussion section it looks like you are being a hard POV-pusher yourself. You may be against the political and ethnical view of this part of document [[2]] but you cannot accuse of source falsification when you don’t know whether this source is an extract of a longer cited document with a bibliography included, or it is a self-made material, “purportedly by James Pettifer and Miranda Vickers” as you say. What’s unacceptable is to accuse an editor of an alleged falsification. It would be more correct to look for the source of this material, but you already know it I suppose.

"Regarding Celo Mezani, is this some kind of joke? There is nothing to indicate this was a real person, let alone notable." ...Here it really seems you’re into throwing on the same pot and spit on all the references that imply some Albanian element of the settlement. And this is more unacceptable and irrelevant to Wikipedia. That figure is as real as Çelo Picari, Zenel Gjoleka or Osman Taka (Mezani’s "colleagues" in a way of expression). There’s even a Song of Çelo Mezani here. In the reference [[3]] it’s written that "…a well known brave man from the village of Arpicë of Çamëri [in Greek Τσαμουριά (Tsamouriá)]. He used to live on the run as kaçak. The administration of the Turkish occupying forces were able to kill him only through betrayal." This is at least a secondary source, mentioning another reference itself, if you are still in doubt. But you’re probably right on creating a separate "Monuments" section for a one-line entry; it seems unapriopriate… Maybe we’d rather expand the article with other info. With due respect, Empathictrust (talk)