Talk:Philip Ludwell

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Speaker of the House of Burgesses in 1695 - Ludwell Senior or Junior?[edit]

We have a conflict of sources on whether Philip Ludwell or his son, Philip Ludwell, Jr., was Speaker of the House of Burgesses in 1695. Lyon Gardiner Tyler, Encyclopedia of Virginia Biography, vol. 1 (1915), says Ludwell Jr. was elected as the youngest Speaker ever (he would have been 23 at the time) with his father's influence playing a part. Jon Kukla, Speakers and Clerks of the Virginia House of Burgesses 1643-1776 (1981) says it was Ludwell Sr., citing a remark by Governor Edmund Andros the day before the Speaker's election about Ludwell Sr.'s election as a burgess from James City County and referring to him as the "Reputed Governor of Carolina".

Does anyone out there have other reliable sources independent of these two that can be used to resolve the matter? Rklear (talk) 19:07, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Philip Ludwell, Sr., was the Speaker of the House of Burgesses in 1695, as is listed in the Journals of the House of Burgesses of Virginia, 1619-1776. Philip Ludwell, Jr., was not selected to the House of Burgesses until 27 October 1697, when he replaced the deceased William Sherwood (page 108). Benuski (talk) 20:03, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

more work needed[edit]

Yesterday I split this article and created a new one for his son. The North Carolina materials (one article from the 6-volume Encyclopedia of North Carolina, and a more recent online revision) explained his Virginia involvement inadequately, and the best Virginia source I found did not mention his Carolina affairs. I appreciated the recent encyclopediavirginia article about his second wife, which put matters into perspective for me. However, clearly the sources disagree, and I've done the best that I could. Since I've spent much more time on this than I expected (only in part because of irritation that my phone suddenly restarted moments after I published the first edit), I did not clean up the citation format, which I hope someone else (or others) can.Jweaver28 (talk) 21:34, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]