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Lede libertarian or populist[edit]

FWIIW, I think this wording Poilievre has described himself as a libertarian-minded member of his party is preferable to Poilievre has been described as a libertarian and populist. As noted above, it seems there is disagreement about whether he is a populist. He also hasn't described himself as a populist as far as I am aware. I don't see how we can both avoid WP:WEASEL (ie properly identify who has called him a populist) and give due weight to those who dispute that, while keeping it short and appropriate for the lede. It is easier for the libertarian descriptor as PP calls himself this.-- Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 23:30, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ak-eater06: to update you on the talk which I had hoped you'd participate in, X-Editor from months ago as well as Masterhatch recently, have also supported changing the sentence. You mention consensus as your revision rationale, can you explain why your individual support of original sentence (which had no other support) has a stronger consensus than multiple users supporting the new sentence? LemonberryPie (talk) 23:46, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Poilievre could describe himself as a sandwich, it doesn't change reality. His dogwhistles about the WEF and such aren't libertarian. In fact, most of the comments he makes as he campaigns to be "Canada's Next Prime Minister" are clearly playing to his base's lowest common denominator (populist not libertarian) and have almost nothing in common with Libertarianism. Harper was a libertarian who often passed laws he knew would be struck down as unconstitutional thus removing any laws on that subject (gay marriage, pot possession - all made effectively legal by his unconstitutional laws that he then never attempted to fix or replace) but he also kept a lid on the populist talk - Pierre feeds it. 38.13.68.31 (talk) 15:09, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree... the use of the word "libertarian" borders on marketing. By any common defnition of libertarian, he is not libertarian. We should be more specific about what we mean. If you compare to Andrew Scheer's page, there is more specific language about his policy focuses not his self-described ideology. His position on LGBTQ issues, including his support of anti-trans legislation, is not libertarian in the slightest. RedRetrievers (talk) 23:37, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose these changes and prefer keeping it as it is. I believe including populist is helpful to readers because it gives them an idea of what type of politician he is before diving deep into the "political positions" section. As per the disagreements about whether he is a populist, I believe that the number of sources that say he is a populist outnumber the sources that say he isn't. In addition, pledges to defund the CBC and fire the Bank of Canada governor are widely considered promises that provoke strong reaction/excitement from people. Also, if we're removing populist in this manner, we might as well remove libertarian too; since support for universal/public healthcare and supply management would be considered anti-libertarian by some.

User:Masterhatch and User:GhostOfDanGurney, given your comments on this page a few weeks ago, I would like your input on this major change, as well as whether you support or oppose it. Ak-eater06 (talk) 01:19, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think populist could potentially be appropriate for the lead if it is specified as his rhetorical style, per how the sources frame it. Something along the lines of "Some journalists describe Poilievre's rhetorical style as populist", in a lead paragraph separated from his policies paragraph. Its inclusion should not be given the same WP:WEIGHT alongside libertarian, which has been significantly covered by self-description, caucus members, and journalists.LemonberryPie (talk) 01:37, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose the use of "populist" in the lead. I think "libertarian" is sufficient. Further down in the article it can be mentioned that he is described by some as a populist. I just don't think it's lead worthy. Masterhatch (talk) 11:54, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Further down in the article is "Some journalists have described him as populist.[128]" citing an article marked "opinion" in the Globe and Mail. I think it's incorrect, the first-named author Daniel Drache is a professor emeritus (York). Peter Gulutzan (talk) 13:42, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What part of his "worldbuilding" attack on Canadian media, claiming they're all part of a Liberal dominated conspiracy to down his image, just because they all subscribe to the same Canadian Press feed and report what CP has provided about him is Libertarian? He and Andrew Scheer are using the Trump playbook, just like any populist.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-pierre-poilievre-and-colleagues-sniff-out-a-scandal-that-doesnt-exist/ 38.13.68.31 (talk) 17:45, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia (aka, Jeff)[edit]

@Ak-eater06: There is nothing that I can find in MOS:TRIVIA or WP:HTRIVIA that suggests that this reliably sourced information should be removed on those grounds. It is integrated into prose in a relevant section of the article without distracting from it. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 04:44, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If he intentionally went by another name that might be relevant, but how do we know this wasn't just a typo/mistake by the person who prepared the programme?--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 08:58, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Question[edit]

GhostOfDanGurney Hi

Question

May I ask why you reverted my edit in this page? Thanks --Taraa Scott (talk) 17:12, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure what edits you are speaking about, or what Dan's logic was. If you are referring to your addition of Poilievre's childrens'names though, you may want to see the archive discussion here and WP:BLPNAME.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 19:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Darryl Kerrigan, Hi, Thanks for the information, Regards. --Taraa Scott (talk) 17:41, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Trans rights[edit]

Pierre Poilievre wants sports, bathroom ban for trans women

And mainstream media coverage of the Conservative Party of Canada leader’s announcement failed to get it right

https://xtramagazine.com/video/poilievre-trans-women-bathrooms-263294 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.71.71 (talk) 22:56, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how that relates to this wiki article. Can you elaborate? Masterhatch (talk) 00:03, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He’s also said it’s a provincial issue and will leave it to the provinces to decide.

His position on an issue, and if he plans to do something about it are two very different things. 24.222.127.250 (talk) 20:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]