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Reasons or purpose behind it?

It should exist as an article because actualy it's the most popular name, seeing that each country have a different name for it and the name "planking" is pop around the internet.

Natural selection at work...BRAVO! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.99.19 (talk) 09:36, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

This would have to be one of the weirdest fads I have heard of for quite some time.

The purpose of planking seems far from obvious, and it would be good if this article could contain some information about this, if it is available. Why does something like this catch on, and what reason do plankers have for doing it? Do lots of people do it simply because others have done it? If so, *why*?

A little history or background to this would hugely improve the article. M.J.E. (talk) 14:39, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

There are a few articles around about it. I think the primary reason is because Queensland is really stupid. 59.100.37.176 (talk) 09:28, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Why do people Skateboard? Why do people believe in God? I think an answer to "Why people plank?" would be so subjective that it would hardly meet the neutrality requirements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.128.9 (talk) 06:38, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

If there is an article for "streaking" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaking then this artical should exist. If there is an article about racoon coats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raccoon_coat, this article should exist. If there is an article about COW TIPPING, this article should exist. It's just another crazy fad. Thomasfromla (talk) 08:54, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I beleive Planking fad of 2011 began with David "Wolfman" Williams when he was on Triple J radio with Lindsay "The Doctor" McDougall. He was part of the segment "The Secret Shows of Sports People", and his secret skill was Planking. Podcast of the show is available http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/media/s3165849.htm starting at 23:47. This was on air Wednesday March 16th. I don't want to change the page myself, but remember hearing the segment on the radio, and thoguht it could explain the beginings of the fad in 2011. Considering the 2 involved are New South Welshmen, it also probably disproves that "the primary reason is because Queensland is stupid" —Preceding unsigned comment added by MartiniPK (talk • contribs) 10:19, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Fatality

I've removed the fatality's name. According to the BBC (here: [1]) he has not been named since his family haven't yet been notified. Memassivbeast (talk) 17:06, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

I've checked the citation on the Article and it didn't name him. Memassivbeast (talk) 17:11, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted to say you made the right decision, thanks for noticing this. Jenks24 (talk) 17:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Lying down game merge suggestion

Merge!, it's the exact same thing, except it has been ripped off from the British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.26.76.55 (talk) 23:19, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Seems to be the same thing, so looks like we should redirect to Lying down game and add section for 'planking' to that article. Barrylb (talk) 00:55, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Barrylb. GermanicusCaesar (talk) 04:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

  • I suggest the merge happen in the opposite direction as a fatality has a greater inherent notability than seven workplace dismissals. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I see no reason as to why this should be deleted or merged...

-"The Plank" is a coloquial term for an abdominal strengthening exercise, which is partly where this fad derived its name. Planking requires at least some physical level of fitness to do, especially over narrow objects areas that are difficult to access, where as lying down is devoid of any athletic merit whatsoever.

-The fad was started by an athlete with "plank" as his nickname

-The nature of the fad (photography in strange places) has similarities to the lying down game, however its origins are totally unrelated

-The fad has received specific media attention, police attention and even from a sitting Prime Minister. It has also resulted in a fatality, and recent news articles imply the fad is going global

At the very least, see where this is in a month or two before deleting it, it could get much bigger and eclipse the "lying down game"

Hayaku (talk) 07:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

as being described here it is not the excercise called the plank. There is already a page for that. This is clearly the same "game".Tetron76 (talk) 13:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support there is no strong evidence as to which way the merge should go, but clearly to have 2 articles is a mistake. To use the more generic name makes sense apart from the use of the word game.Tetron76 (talk) 13:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
The guardian states that it was best known as lying down game when it started http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/16/planking-death-australian-prime-minister.Tetron76 (talk) 14:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose Totally different two sports. No reason to change the current arrangement. Jackthart (talk) 18:50, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
How are they different? Barrylb (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Support - Barrylb, YHBT. - Frankie1969 (talk) 13:08, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Comment' - It's very clear how they are different. Just view the two pages for yourself. Seacrh 'lying down game' and 'planking' on google images. They are clearly different. I think people in this debate should declare what country they come from. Probably the majority proposing this change come from the UK or USA. Jackthart (talk) 07:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support merge - these are obviously on the same topic. (There may be different names for the game in the UK and Australia, but it's the same thing.) Although Lying down game is older, I'd support merging that article to this one rather than the other way around, as 'Planking' seems to have attracted more media attention and become the more widely-used name. Robofish (talk) 16:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose Jackthart said it best. Two completely different things. Just another brit who got mad.zzz (talk) 02:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
    And as Barrylb said: how are they different? Name one way! They are two different names for literally exactly the same activity. Robofish (talk) 19:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

This page itself is already a stub, so this should become a sub-section of the "Lying Down Game" page. Additionally, this planking fad is a derivative of and a replication of the "Lying Down Game". Perhaps, as a sub-section of "Lying Down Game" it should be entitled "planking" or "Lying Down Game in Australia". 121.222.3.4 (talk) 08:24, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

  • Support, however there should be a generic name so as to avoid arguments about which came first and which name is used the most. Delusion23 (talk) 01:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Strong Support. Different names for the same thing. The only real reason offered against the merge is that they have different origins, but the evidence points to the same origin, e.g. this article.[2] As for the article name, it slightly disappoints me as an Aussie, but the original name takes precedence. Planking (fad) should redirect. Adpete (talk) 08:25, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Merge to Lying down game as this was the origin of the phenomena and still the most popular name. The Lying Down Game was invented in 1997 and Planking came much later, and in fact "planking" is just a local Australian slang for the lying down game. Furthermore, not to take anything away from Oz, the UK is much the larger and more notable country, and not only that but it appears that the USA, an even larger and more notable country, also uses "lying down game" rather than "planking" which remains an Australia-only slang term. Herostratus (talk) 03:04, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose. Planking is a unique fad which now has no shortage of cite-able sources. SmallEditsForLife (talk) 06:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
This is the user's first and only edit. Barrylb (talk) 02:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support merge to Lying down game. Most of the mainstream news reports (from Australia, and elsewhere) note that this activity started in Britain over a dozen years ago, under the name "lying down game". FWIW, the article for "lying-down game" was started in November 2010 [3], and an earlier (deleted) version entitled The Lying Down Game dates back to July 2009. It appears that the first time "planking" appeared in Wikipedia was less than a month ago, when it was first added to the "Lying down game" article by a single-edit account, and then three days later the first (deleted) version of "planking" was created. The Australian version may be more notable now, but the British version is older, noted as the precursor in most media reports, and existed almost six months before the Australian version was noted. This issimply a rehash of the whole "Petrol/gasoline" brouhaha (and equally lame); we should stick with the older title, which is "Lying down game". However, much of the content in this article should be added to the other article (a merge, not a simple redirect). Horologium (talk) 18:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Strong Support merge With a hard redirect to lying down game from planking. The two are virtually the same, with a different twist brought about by a different culture. This planking seems more widespread, slightly more extreme, in terms of people dying, but that doesn't warrant a separate article, the earlier lying down game could be a good intro/leader for the article, explaining early origins, with the planking subsection being shown as it's evolution and more widespread use and spread. RollieRoulston 10:53, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Support Merge to lying down game. Don't like the title, but as it is the original name it should be used. AIRcorn (talk) 00:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Redirect and merge complete. The lying down game article might just need a bit more work to better integrate. Barrylb (talk) 03:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Irony

I'd like to point out that it's kind of ironic referring to 'planking' as a 'movement'. That's all. 58.165.253.106 (talk) 14:54, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, now it's called an "action" when isn't it really "inaction"? How the hell do you describe this stupid fad properly?! Cybersteel8 (talk) 14:17, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Deaths

OK. Someone died by planking. Does this really mean there should be a section called "Deaths"? Someone has also died by disco-roller skating. Someone else has died when using a seesaw. Also a guy died when he tried to clean a chimney. Do all these pages also require "DEATHS" sections? No. This page is ridiculous. You are just following the media. The media is not encyclopedic. Nobody can counter my argument. You know I am correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.32.164.212 (talk) 22:40, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Dead Fish?

Does anybody remember the game that was played back when we were young, dead fish? Where everyone lies down perfectly still and one person has to walk around spotting those who move, and those spotted are "out"? Planking seems to be a single-player version of Dead Fish... do you reckon it involves a mention? Oh, and why isn't there an article on Dead Fish? It's very popular. I still play it 'til today. Every night. When I sleep. Cybersteel8 (talk) 14:20, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

We called that game Graveyard here (in canada). I don't think they really have much to do with each other. Possibly with "lying down game," but not with this. zzz (talk) 02:15, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

See the completely uncited Sleeping lions Fifelfoo (talk) 02:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Planking in Taiwan

Should we mention the PKGirls of Taiwan? They have gained fans on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pkgirls?sk=photos and there are many pictures of group planking there, from around the world. 128.12.240.253 (talk) 18:48, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I am unable to locate reliable sources (the wikipedia criteria) regarding the PKGirls, let alone, PKGirls planking. Fifelfoo (talk) 02:51, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Planking at Indy 500 practice

Added a part under notability about Scott Dixons antics while the Indy 500 practice was rained out. zzz (talk) 02:13, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Reuters article

Reuters had an article featuring Planking today. Can probably be used as a reference: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/19/us-australia-planking-idUSTRE74I1M320110519. -- Prod (Talk) 17:26, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Images

We need more extreme pictures of planking, the current ones are completely tame. Maybe a wikipedian can go plank tree or something for us.

On that note, the description for the Taj Mahal picture isn't very accurate, they aren't planking the Taj Mahal, they are planking near the Taj Mahal.

219.89.205.8 (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Removal Suggestion

The part where it says "The Planking Australia group on Facebook has announced 25 May 2011 as the inaugural annual Planking Day, to encourage new and group planking." is just blatent advertising and needs to be removed. A Facebook group is neither a sovereign authority nor represents all people who decide to participate in this fad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.172.244 (talk) 00:42, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree. It's gone. HiLo48 (talk) 01:00, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
The text was found in a reliable source, which is why it was inserted. Removal for reasons of notability or weight is a fine reason; but, it wasn't "advertising". Fifelfoo (talk) 01:14, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

South Korean "Playing Dead"

In South Korea there was a fad where large groups of school children would act as if they are dead in funny areas (e.g. sticking out of lockers or upside-down). It's not the same thing as 'Planking' and that's why I'm removing it's mention from this article in the sentence: "It has also been known as "시체놀이" ("playing dead", South Korea 2003)". Look at it's references or do an image search for "시체놀이" and you will see it's inaccurate.174.29.149.84 (talk) 06:40, 21 May 2011 (UTC) Then again, the page is locked and I can't remove it.174.29.149.84 (talk) 06:42, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

The link between planking, they lying down game, and 시체놀이 has its origins in a reliable source. If you could find a reliable source which indicates they're not related, we could remove it. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Not limited to twitter

There's a group on Flickr which post Face Down Tuesday pictures...this should probably be referenced too...the group has been in existence for a number of years.[[4]]86.161.86.98 (talk) 09:27, 21 May 2011 (UTC)Ekky

If material supporting this has been reported in a reliable source, then it can be included. Could you give a reference to a reliable source for this point? Fifelfoo (talk) 01:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Lying Down Game

It is not a lying down game. It is when you lie down on something and take a photograph not lie down for fun see who can lie down for the longest or something! it is just a fad that will pass soon so dont get worked up. Im sure that in like a month or so it will be very old.Teddybears73 (talk) 11:34, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Wrong History

Someone cited that "planking" was coined in Australia in 2011 and then used an article from 2 weeks ago to cite that. This is wrong information and I know for a fact that I have heard and seen planking at least last year. Can we please find proper history? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.58.150 (talk) 16:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

See WP:TRUTH and WP:V. If you can find a reliable source which supports your claim, please feel free to edit the article while giving the source as a reference. Fifelfoo (talk) 22:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Citations

How about putting the citations into citation templates? That way the software itself chooses the format, and visitors to the article would not have no learn a new and unusual citation style. --Diannaa (Talk) 14:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Most users can't use citation templates well except for single media news articles. Items in collection, with multiple authors, pseudonymous and assumed pseudonymous authors, and online sources with publishers (such as Know your Meme in the article) are rarely correctly filled in. Citation templates can't handle dates that are reasonable suppositions (ie: [2011] as opposed to (2011)). Citation templates are also rather bad for citing video material which has any measure of complexity. This results in forcing a heavy use of |postscript=. A manual reference is easier to edit and maintain, and clearer in the text than a citation template. As far as style goes, what do you suggest. My natural style is Turabian, which is Authors, "Contained Title," Editors eds. Containing work volume, edition, Series Editors, series eds. (Place: Publisher, Date), [raw page numbers] for footnotes. The general style in the article at the moment is heavily modelled off wikipedia's citation style: Author (Date) "Contained" Editors Containing Other data Place: Publisher, [pages]. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:20, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Well I already made a suggestion and you didn't like it so see you later. --Diannaa (Talk) 03:03, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

In popular culture revert war

Editors may wish to read Wikipedia:Popular culture and then attempt to come to a consensus position on the talk page by discussion rather than reverting. And remember, "The wrong version of the page is always protected." Fifelfoo (talk) 02:34, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I've already dropped a note on the other user's talk page, informing him that I'll not revert him again, but I have to note that the disputed addition manifestly fails all three of the suggested criteria, and will probably never be remarked upon in any secondary source. Penny Arcade is much like xkcd and Family Guy, dense in pop culture references which are not always indicators of their importance. In this case, the nominal subject is just a launching pad for a rather tasteless riff on fads in general, not this one in particular. Horologium (talk) 02:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I concur with your arguments from policy. Fifelfoo (talk) 03:07, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

NZ Prime Minister

Is this worthy of being on this page? http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/5076142/Planking-PM-challenged-to-do-it-again http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10729127 Kansaikiwi (talk) 03:01, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

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