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Craft beer movement and vegetarian cuisine

Last years on Polish beer scene are often refered to as "craft revolution". Dozens of new small breweries emerged, craft beer is available even in supermarkets and it is gaining popularity and international recognizability. Polish craft beer scene is now probably the most vital and diverse beer scene in Europe. I believe it should be mentioned here. Also, especially in Polish cities there is a strong and growing vegetarian/vegan trend. In every city there are at least a few exclusively veg*an bars/restaurants, in Warsaw about 50 of them, and many "regular" restaurants offer veg*an dishes, listed separately or among other items. Modern urban vegetarian movement (jarosze) started in Poland at the end of 19th century, now it appeals to international trends. One might call it a novelty, but it is also worth mentioning that before 20th century most Polish people were (involuntary) vegetarians as they ate meat only ocassionaly (esp. in eastern parts), as it was expensive and reserved for higher classes. Kasha, onion, cabbage, turnips, bread, later potatos and the like were staple foods then, not chicken or beef. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZoodaVex (talk • contribs) 16:51, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Hmmm... Interesting... 2A02:8108:1640:5282:E1EC:F1D1:A620:3D49 (talk) 01:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Beer brands

The list of beer brands is limited to the big international breweries' brands which brew the same pissy lager all over the world - I've added some local brews but its far form complete. Calling out to the beer lovers - add your local brews to the list! Breweries I've added: http://www.browar-amber.pl/ http://www.browarkormoran.pl/ http://www.ciechan.com.pl/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.227.143 (talk) 12:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Spicy in the MIddle Ages?

The article states that Polish cuisine in the middle ages was "very heavy and spicy". Can someone shed light on the spicy part? Reason I ask is that the only 'spicy' thing available to Poland (or anywhere else in europe) was black pepper during the middle ages. Anything spicier, ie chili peppers of any kind including paprika are native to central and south america and did not come to europe until Columbus (1600's). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbcarbaj (talk • contribs) 02:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Chili is not the only spice especially the history section. Rmhermen (talk) 22:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Move

Okay, I hope someone is watching this page. I propose to move this to Cuisine of Poland, its proper name. The adjective form (Polish) shouldn't come first, and the convention is almost always to have it this way. Objections? --Dmcdevit 01:56, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that the Polish cuisine is popular in all places where Poles live, not only in Poland. Halibutt 06:35, August 22, 2005 (UTC)


== Very funny is foto: Polish meat shop in the 1980s.

Link

I suggest the link to the following site should be added: http://www.poland.gov.pl/?document=411&PHPSESSID=531220f72393544bee9b977356d2b805 This site is a professional site about Poland, with plenty of trustworthy information in good English.

Done.Halibutt 06:35, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

pyry z gzikiem

I changed

pyry z gzikiem - boiled potatoes, peeled right before being served with cottage cheese and onion

to

pyry z gzikiem - boiled, no peeled potatoes with gzik and butter

because peeling your potato on your own is part of "ritual" of eating pyry z gziką

Polish cuisine

Some of my favorite dishes: Fasolka po Bretonsku, Pierogi Ruskie, Chłodnik Litewski, Pieczen Rzymskie, and of course Ryba po Grecku. Did I miss anything important? Dr. Dan 03:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Barscz Ukrainski.Dr. Dan 01:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Kopytka - don't know where it fits though. Polish potato dumplings (on sale in London). 172.206.36.63 01:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I'v changed mashroom soup made with Tricholoma equestre which of course is not poisonous,as it was written. Nobody in the world eats poisonous muschrooms:)

Jeez, I love Polish cuisine.

Something to change

The oldest known Polish cook-book is "Compendium Ferculorum albo Zebranie Potraw" of Stanisław Czerniecki, a noblaman and a cookmaster of count Alexander Michał Lubomirski. There are also some excellent books from 18 and the beginning of 19 century, among them a little, but interesting work of Thadeusz Krusiński, a missionar in Persia and Turkey, written probably in 17 century, edited (modernized) and published in 1769; PRAGMATOGRAPHIA de legitimo usu AMBROZYI TURECKIEY, a book about turkish coffe. Both of them I've got in my bookshelf. It would be nice if someone does changes in the article, because i'm not enough fluent in english. Tymoteusz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.196.215.7 (talk) 14:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Foreign influences

It would be useful to write about foreign influences of Polish cuisine. Also we should describe what kind of foreign restaurants one can find in Poland (Italian and Chinese are world standard, but popularity of Vietnamese and lack of Japanese, for example, are distinguishing feature).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Shares some similarities!

Polish cuisine (Polish: kuchnia polska) is a style of cooking and food preparation originating from Poland. It has evolved over the centuries due to historical circumstances. Polish national cuisine shares some similarities with other Central European and Eastern European traditions.

That's all that should be written please do not add some no sense that the Polish cuisine is also influenced from Italian, French, and the most funnest one Turkish. Polish cuisine has only some similarities from Central Europe and Eastern Europe! — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoriaPolska (talk • contribs) 19:26, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

The lead of an article summaries the article, and the article discusses some of the influences you've removed. I've reverted you but then removed French and Turkish. One book I see says "Various cultures have influenced Polish cuisine, including Jewish, Ukrainian, Russian, Hungarian and German." Hungarian influence should perhaps be mentioned and Russian. Dougweller (talk) 20:17, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Wait a minute here what book are you reading because last time I checked all my Polish cuisine books say there is only some similarities with other Slavic cuisines you really need to get your facts right cause I'm going to keep changing it. You are the reason in the next two years Wikipedia is going to be shut down forever why false information that would be you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoriaPolska (talk • contribs) 21:23, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm reading the article among other things, which discusses the Italian influences. Food and drink in medieval Poland: rediscovering a cuisine of the past By Maria Dembin'ska, William Woys Weaver[1] "the cuisine of the Tuscan aristocracy was studied and imitated by the Polish nobility." Polish Heritage Cookery By Robert Strybel, Maria Strybel[2] "Poland's Italian-born Queen Bona Sforza introduced a variety of vegetables to the Polish palate." And there are more. You also need to read WP:NPA. And you are making a declaration that you intend to WP:Edit war which if you carry it out will get you blocked. Dougweller (talk)

Culinary trends in central, northern and eastern Europe generally form transnational continua, and Polish cuisine belongs to several, including:

  • the Baltic/North Sea continuum that includes all of the countries that surround those seas; spread primarily by Hansa sailors and merchants and by the Prussians. Placki kartoflane, klopsiki, kisiel and chłodnik are good examples.
  • the Central German continuum which extends into Belgium, Alsace and Lorraine; spread by settlers from those areas, espeailly the Saxons. Zrazy, golonka and kluski śląskie are good examples.
  • the Balkans continuum, which extends all the way to Turkey and is highly influenced by Turkish cuisine; spread by the Austro-Hungarians who occupied a large part of southeastern Poland, and also by direct contact with Turkey itself, with which Poland shared a common border at one time. Gołąbki, schabowy, leczo and gulasz are good examples.
  • the Central Asian continuum, which extends all the way to China and Japan. Spread primarily by the Mongols and associated Central Asian peoples. Pierogi and kindziuk are good examples.

On top of that, Polish cuisine has been influenced by monks from France and Italy; Carp and pieczarki are good examples. Various court cuisines that were once fashionable throughout the region also influenced Polish cuisine, especially French, Russian, Italian and Hapsburg; the introduction of new vegetables by Bona Sforza is a good example. Polish and Ashkenazi Jewish cuisine were intimately intertwined. Since the fall of communism, Polish cuisine is again being influenced by Italian and other Mediteranean cuisines, among others.

There's very little in Polish cuisine that cannot be found in the cuisines of the neighboring countries or elsewhere in Europe. Bigos is one of the few dishes that pop to mind. Mind you, Polish cuisine was an active participant in most of these continua, not merely a passive recipient, and Poles altered exogenous dishes to suite their own palates; Polish gulasz is quite different from the Hungarian variety, and barszcz has wandered a long way from its original form. Because of the partitions, Polish cuisine never "gelled" as did French, Italian or Hungarian cuisine. Communism and the loss of the kresy further impoverished the cuisine; many of the dishes my Polish-American family eats are no longer widely found in Poland, like pagacz, lebioda soup, czarnina, kiszka kartoflana and haluszki z kapustą, or have been relegated to quasi foreign status, like kołduny. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 11:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

It's time for you to go back to history class in the 15th century until the 17th century Polish Lithuania commonwealth was the best country in Europe a lot of different people from other countries came to Polish Lithuania commonwealth because of its wealth and power your comparing all the food from other countries maybe because there stronger then Poland in our modern age you make no sense I can sue Wikipedia for false information and I can get you banned your making it sound if people from Germany and Italy were the first people on earth and the whole world copied there cuisine once again your not making any sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoriaPolska (talk • contribs) 17:25, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

This is why I wrote Polish cuisine shares some similarities with central and eastern European cuisine the whole world eats meat are you going to tell me that meat came from Italy or Germany? of course every country in the world has some similarities but they make it in there own way! — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoriaPolska (talk • contribs) 17:35, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

If the Partition in 1795 never happened you would write in a different way that Germany and Italy had influences from Poland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoriaPolska (talk • contribs) 17:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

If you wish to continue to edit you must very clearly withdraw any threat to sue anyone. See your talk page. Dougweller (talk) 17:46, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Another Admin has blocked him. HistoriaPolska, you need to read WP:VERIFY and WP:NPOV. Our articles reflect the sources, not editors' opinions. Dougweller (talk) 19:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Bad translations by ip

IP 83.7.117.105/83.7.127.209/46.174.24.10 (no prior history) insists on adding poorly translated names to the picture captions in spite of being informed that his translations are faulty. His command of English is apparently very poor. He has altered my user page with an uncivil comment (in Polish), and his last edit summary was uncivil (and in Polish). He has not explained his edits on the talk page as instructed to. As far as I can tell, he or she is just being disruptive, and I consider further changes to be simply vandalism. I've left a warning on all three user talk pages, but don't know if he or she will read them because of the constant changes in IP address. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 09:36, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Fat Thursday

The section on "Fat Thursday" is written in such poor English, I suggest it be deleted (or corrected, but I can't be bothered). It is simply a disgrace. 83.26.115.163 (talk) 09:40, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I just reverted a change to this section that made it even worse. I don't think it improved at all since this comment 3 years ago. Rmhermen (talk) 16:18, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Beverages

Issues concerning the details eg the origin of vodka or beer, their history, types, methods of preparing, scale and places of production of these drinks are unnecessary in this article. Such issues are wide described in the related articles, cited in the text. I plan to prepare a concise form of this paragraph, more appropriate in the article on dietary habits. --Robsuper (talk) 08:34, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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